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So there is some truth to the stereotype of the angry asshole Rubyist? I thought the community had moved on since those days. I've been tossing up whether to l

So there is some truth to the stereotype of the angry asshole Rubyist? I thought the community had moved on since those days. I've been tossing up whether to learn Ruby or Clojure next, and this kind of crap is a real turn-off for Ruby.

madhadron 14y ago
Do Clojure. Ruby suffers from a number of serious basic errors in its design. I'm in the middle of the long task of writing a clear, substantive criticism of them, but why they were bad choices is quite subtle, though it has large implications. That and Ruby has a culture of little or no documentation, even of the standard library, no attempt at consistency in APIs, even for something as basic as different kinds of network socket, and a community with rather more noise and rather less experience than makes me comfortable.
mylittlepony 14y ago
Having tried Ruby for a year, I have experimented this myself. With a strong OOP background, I can assert that it's not even an elite that enjoys ridiculing noobs. It reminded me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX3iRjKj7C0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX3iRjKj7C0 Also, just look at the top comment in that video. The irony.
0xDECAFFEE 14y ago
Ruby is an awesome language. The community, particularly the community that revolves around rails, and the "uncle craftsmanship" baloney, leaves many wondering WTF. I can't stress enough how nice it is to use the ruby language to code and solve problems.
eropple 14y ago
I'm not a regular user of either, but I've much more enjoyed my time playing with Clojure and lurking in the community. For the most part they seem like solid people.
petercooper 14y ago
As much as the "truth" of the stereotype of the jock PHP developer or smelly, fat, bearded C developer. That is to say, those people surely exist within each world but it's a shame when others lack the peripheral vision to see the true, bigger picture without falling into stereotyping.
danneu 14y ago
That's what you're taking from this? Really? As someone remarked elsewhere in these comments: > There is no "open source hivemind" so please don't > disparage the millions of open source coders who > will never make the frontpage of HN by lumping the > entire conglomerate into one community.

madhadron 14y ago

Do Clojure. Ruby suffers from a number of serious basic errors in its design. I'm in the middle of the long task of writing a clear, substantive criticism of them, but why they were bad choices is quite subtle, though it has large implications. That and Ruby has a culture of little or no documentation, even of the standard library, no attempt at consistency in APIs, even for something as basic as different kinds of network socket, and a community with rather more noise and rather less experience than makes me comfortable.

mylittlepony 14y ago

Having tried Ruby for a year, I have experimented this myself. With a strong OOP background, I can assert that it's not even an elite that enjoys ridiculing noobs. It reminded me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX3iRjKj7C0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX3iRjKj7C0 Also, just look at the top comment in that video. The irony.

0xDECAFFEE 14y ago

Ruby is an awesome language. The community, particularly the community that revolves around rails, and the "uncle craftsmanship" baloney, leaves many wondering WTF. I can't stress enough how nice it is to use the ruby language to code and solve problems.

eropple 14y ago

I'm not a regular user of either, but I've much more enjoyed my time playing with Clojure and lurking in the community. For the most part they seem like solid people.

petercooper 14y ago

As much as the "truth" of the stereotype of the jock PHP developer or smelly, fat, bearded C developer. That is to say, those people surely exist within each world but it's a shame when others lack the peripheral vision to see the true, bigger picture without falling into stereotyping.

danneu 14y ago

That's what you're taking from this? Really? As someone remarked elsewhere in these comments: > There is no "open source hivemind" so please don't > disparage the millions of open source coders who > will never make the frontpage of HN by lumping the > entire conglomerate into one community.