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Here's the thing, when someone like Linus Torvald says things like that, we applaud him for it.
by yen223 14y ago
Here's the thing, when someone like Linus Torvald says things like that, we applaud him for it.
- msbarnett 14y agoWho's "we"? HN, let alone software devs as a whole, are not a hivemind.
- readme 14y agoI'm not sure if that's the same thing. Linus usually criticizes things in a way that actually points out the flaws. This guy is just essentially saying "LOL U SUCK"
- jamesaguilar 14y agoAnd with Linus, it's not usually about the person (unless the person is actually being obstinate or negligent).
- LeonidasXIV 14y agoAnd here I was thinking that Linus was the one guy in open source who says "moron" a lot.
- adrr 14y agoLOL U SUCK. Kidding, though some of the threads I read involving C++/C with Linus involved are so childish they are actually entertaining. Example: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/57918 http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/5791...
- shardling 14y agoLinus doesn't say things like that. If you don't understand the difference of context, well, look again!
- diego 14y agoHe does. This was pretty nasty. http://shutupmauro.com/ http://shutupmauro.com/
- shardling 14y agoYelling at someone you're in an argument with is a world away from picking on a stranger. (It's not necessarily good, but it is categorically different behavior.)
- anthonyb 14y agoDressing down someone like that on a public mailing list is absolutely picking on them. It's not an argument, and is basically no different to the behaviour here.
- akkartik 14y agoIt is basically worlds opposite to the behavior here. a. Linus uses swear words. Steve Klabnik used none. b. Linus provides substantive criticism. Even if you need flame-retardant underwear to hear it. c. Linus never ever ridicules outsiders. So what do the two have in common, again? I loved the mauro thread because you're seeing Linus talking to an insider of an influential project and tell him that the relative outsider with no status is right. By doing it publicly he reinforces the culture of the kernel: we don't break user code. We are a meritocracy, and if you're wrong I will not be shy about letting you know. He could do it with less profanity. But I heartily support his doing it so emphatically. Nobody else on lkml will brush something off as a userland bug for a year.
- anthonyb 14y ago
- quasque 14y agoI think it's inaccurate to suggest Linus is universally applauded for his rude behaviour. The last public outburst that caught wider attention than the LKML seemed to quite divide programmers in terms of its appropriateness. Personally, I found his attitude repellent and his tone unjustified.
- byroot 14y agoLinus is often rude, but AFAIK not gratuitously, but I may have missed some of his public messages. But even if it's the case, he is rude with the guys who work with him, his "captains" that he knows since a long time. He do not bash a random project on Github totally unrelated to him just like that. You can't compare.
- anthonyb 14y agoNo, Linus is often gratuitously rude.
- byroot 14y agoGot a link ? Of Linus being gratuitously rude with a perfect stranger ?
- anthonyb 14y agoWhy does it need to be with a stranger? Rude is rude.
- res0nat0r 14y agoLinus telling someone to shut the fuck up last month: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4962912 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4962912
- swdunlop 14y agoI don't think another maintainer on the Linux kernel qualifies as a perfect stranger. The team isn't /that/ large.
- aaronblohowiak 14y agoDifferent because Mauro is talking on behalf of the Kernel and claiming obviously bad changes are good ones. Linus is reprimanding a subordinate that is supposed to be one of the most well-informed members of the Linux community as a kernel maintainer -- he's not criticizing a stranger for posting a tiny script in case it "might be useful". Linus is DFL (not so benevolent sometimes) of Linux, and can lash out when one of his trusted lieutenants is acting like an idiot. What these guys did is call out a stranger on the street and said "YOU SUCK!"
- huhtenberg 14y agoLinus doesn't say things like that. He goes after people who enter discussions without bothering to understand the details or the history. If you want to code your own kernel in Java, that's your prerogative. But if you come to lkml and start preaching C++ advantages, you will get flaked.