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Nokia sold 4.4 million Lumia smartphones in 'solid' Q4 2012

62 points by reg29 14y ago

breckinloggins 14y ago
I've played with the Lumia at Best Buy a few times. It's a solid, attractive phone and I wouldn't be ashamed to carry one at all. I'm an iOS guy but as far as Windows Phone goes, I have to say it doesn't suck. I'm not saying that Microsoft's phone and tablet businesses will become a resounding success in spite of all current evidence, but I will say it would be a mistake to dismiss them.
- jkat 14y ago
  I've never even seen a windows phone (maybe they aren't popular in Asia?)...I remember when they first came out, most reviews seemed to agree it was very superficial and in need of a lot of polish. Has to story changed?
  - freehunter 14y ago
    WP 7.5 added an almost-perfect level of polish to WP7. WP8 could use the same treatment. I haven't seen anything really show-stopping, but there are some minor annoyances that pop up. I don't recall seeing any reviews saying it needed significant polish beyond the fact of some missing features that were added in 7.1 and 7.5. Some of the inconsistent behavior has been cleaned up in 7.1, 7.5, and 8 (although 8 introduced some of its own). I don't regret running Windows Phone for the past two years. The only thing I miss is VPN support. The positives over Android and iOS vastly outweigh any of the negatives.
- mattmaroon 14y ago
  I'll give them credit. If you would have told me before Windows Phone launched that I'd be frequently reading iOS users saying it doesn't suck, I wouldn't have believed you. I feel like at this stage of the game that's a win. I'm still probably not switching though.
  - lmm 14y ago
    That's the thing. MS has actually produced a really good product, better than any of the alternatives. But it's not going to be enough, because they're too late to get the app developers.
    - Blara 14y ago
      There are plenty of .NET developers so I don't think that will be an issue.
      - DigitalJack 14y ago
        I wonder if developing with ClojureCLR is possible for WP8.
      - AnthonyMouse 14y ago
        Isn't that like saying "there are plenty of Java developers so I don't think that will be an issue" when talking about RIM?
        Blara 14y ago
        Not really, I think that WP will have a bigger userbase than RIM and I think that a better to compare against Android. I also assume that "phoneapps" will work on desktop/tablet windows 8 as well... But again, this is just my thoughts.
        AnthonyMouse 14y ago
        >I think that WP will have a bigger userbase than RIM and I think that a better to compare against Android. I think you're being extraordinarily optimistic. The latest numbers I could find quickly[1] show RIM with more than double the share of Microsoft, and with both showing a reduction in share vs. six months prior. You might be able to claim that people are abandoning RIM faster than they're abandoning Windows Phone, but even that is arguably because RIM is falling from a higher initial position. The other problem is that .NET makes no sense for mobile apps, because neither of the two largest mobile platforms have good (if any?) support for it. Everyone who is not some kind of Microsoft evangelist is going to support Android/iOS first, which means they're not using .NET and are not going to worry about a Windows port unless Windows Phone gets enough share to be worth worrying about. [1] http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/30/comscore-android-us-market-share-kept-growing-in-october/ http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/30/comscore-android-us-marke...
- rayiner 14y ago
  That's pretty much exactly how I felt about mine (before I returned it for an iPhone 5). It does indeed not suck. But you just can't shake the feeling that "this will be better two revisions from now." Take an exceedingly simple example: load up Hacker News, then look at the screen as you rotate the phone from portrait to landscape and back. On an iPhone 5, the rotation is smooth. On the Lumia 920, you see flashes of white as the screen is repainted in the new orientation. Yeah, this is window dressing, but it part of the user experience. This kind of attention to the user experience is missing throughout WP8. For example, the user interface relies heavily on glyphs (minimalistic icons), but doesn't use them consistently. In the Camera app, to get to the Photo Roll, you click an arrow icon. Does an arrow make me immediately think of my other photos? iOS uses a thumbnail of your most recent photo. And I think Nokia made a huge mistake with the form factor. Over the weekend I was trying to surf HN while feeding my baby, and I thought I was going to drop the phone on her. The extra weight (60% heavier than an iPhone) makes it that much harder to rely on friction to keep it in your hand. There is no way it would be a comfortable fit for my wife or my mom. The Lumia 820 is probably a better "appropriate for everyone" phone, but with a low-res screen, etc, it's not positioned that way.
  - felideon 14y ago
    > Over the weekend I was trying to surf HN while feeding my baby Hopefully that's not a habit. Enjoy your baby!
    - malkia 14y ago
      And when he/she grows up, your phone would be lost forever... in their little hands :)
    - rayiner 14y ago
      The first feeding of the day both you and the baby want to bond. By the fourth, the baby just wants to download milk from the bottle into her tummy as fast as possible and you want to veg out on the Internet. :)
  - pmelendez 14y ago
    I think you are being a bit too used to the iPhone experience. For instance, for me the example on the camera app is very intuitive, specially because the image animates out of screen in that direction so it looks pretty natural to me. I came from iPhone 3G, and an Android 2.1 before having a Lumia 900 (which I lost) and now a Lumia 920. I have to say that the windows phone experience was the most pleasant to me. Probably since I had worked with all them in a daily basis before that I am not specifically attached to anyone. I am agreed that 920 doesn't feel like a mainstream phone because the form factor, but it is good enough for the "experiment"/bet that they are doing. If this generation would sell decent I think we would see a lot of 92x where people would choose the model that fixes better to them.
outside1234 14y ago
I have a Nokia 920 and its solid, really solid. I went back to my iPhone over Christmas (I do mobile development) and I was thankful when I got back to the 920. Its very fast, very functional, love updating tiles. The only gotcha is music - the iPhone still crushes everyone on music apps / syncing / acquisition. Otherwise, the 920 was equal or better - even apps are coming along. Only missing Strava now for me.
- kalid 14y ago
  For what it's worth, off the top of my head I picked RunKeeper as an app I'd need before switching platforms. They stopped supporting WP last year (http://wmpoweruser.com/runkeeper-calls-its-quits-on-windows-phone-not-worth-their-time/ http://wmpoweruser.com/runkeeper-calls-its-quits-on-windows-...). It's becoming apparent that the app data can provide more lock-in than the OS itself. (I don't want to find an alternative and lose 2 years of data -- just for the first app I thought I'd need!)
  - dpark 14y ago
    RunKeeper mentions Caledos as an option on their site. I haven't used it, and don't know how seamlessly it integrates with RunKeeper, but it has largely good ratings. http://runkeeper.com/apps/activity-tracking/caledos-runner-on-windows-phone/8012 http://runkeeper.com/apps/activity-tracking/caledos-runner-o... http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/caledos-runner/0509fec7-2044-441b-a466-1f0d3e997fd3 http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/caledos-runner/0...
- freehunter 14y ago
  I never understand when people say the iPhone is better for music. I'll grant you the Windows 8 Music app sucks on the desktop, but Zune was solid on Windows 7. The WP8 music app is great, the Zune Pass/Xbox Music Pass is basically the biggest reason I can't seriously consider switching platforms. $8/mo for 10 songs DRM-free and streaming/caching all other songs in their database is huge! Nokia Music playlists are huge, and free! The speakers on the Lumia 920 are much better than iPhone speakers in comparisons with my coworkers. What music apps is WP missing in your experience?
lawdawg 14y ago
Last I read, Nokia accounts for 75% of all WP device sales, which means we can estimate around 6 million WP devices were shipped (not sold) during Q4 2012. Unlike Apple (which also calls shipments "sales" in their quarterly report), Nokia devices aren't in incredibly high demand (other than perhaps the 920). I can't really see how this is good news for WP when Android and iOS activated 17.1 million devices on Christmas Day alone. I can't imagine Q1 2013 being any better for Nokia when they have no major devices going out, and no major WP upgrades upcoming either.
- mtgx 14y ago
  To put that in perspective with Android sales, the whole of WP sold in a quarter as much as Android in 4 days. I still think Nokia made a huge mistake not making Android phones, too. 4 million Lumias (low-end and high-end ones) is not enough to make them recover on time. They'll still probably get acquired, possibly this year.
  - daliusd 14y ago
    Maybe that's the plan? IMHO Elop did everything to make Nokia unattractive to all possible buyers except Microsoft. I see the only option for Apple to try buying Nokia to at least make it more expensive for MS. I don't believe Apple could buy Nokia because that most probably wouldn't be met very friendly by EU bureaucrats.
  - OGinparadise 14y ago
    Nokia is up by double digits so investors are liking this. With confidence, they might even raise the money they need. Whether it's as good for Microsoft it's another story
  - astrodust 14y ago
    They can always go back to making boots. There's a large hipster market out there.
- Gmo 14y ago
  Well, for once, there are a lot of markets where the 920 and 820 haven't been launched yet. Here in Europe, it was launched in France, Germany and the UK, but only now is it launched in the Netherlands (where I live) and Belgium, and probably other smaller European countries.
jpxxx 14y ago
Perhaps there's hope of them being a top-10 smartphone manufacturer someday.
- jxi 14y ago
  They were top 10 before. They were #1 at some point too with the best phone back in the day: N95.
  - Samuel_Michon 14y ago
    The N95 and the iPhone were both released in 2007, 3 months apart. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_n95 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_n95 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_(1st_generation) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_(1st_generation)
mtgx 14y ago
I don't know why manufacturers aren't using machined polycarbonate more the way Nokia and HTC do. It seems LG and Sony are just now trying to be where Apple was 2 years ago with the glass-back phones, which I think was a very poor material to use and a mistake on Apple's part. I think they quickly realized that, but it took them a while to create an aluminum iPhone the right way, because as we know aluminum is not great for radio connections, so you'll have to arrange the radios in such a way that the body doesn't interfere with them, which is probably why it took them so long, and why they made the iPhone 4S identical to iPhone 4. I won't even discuss Samsung, which seems to have a fetish for crappy plastic. If it were after me, phones would all have metallic bodies, because it feels the best in hand, but you won't get full metal bodies anyway, but a mixture of metal and plastic or glass (like iPhone 5). The best compromise between being easy to make and also feeling solid in hand seems to be polycarbonate right now, and more manufacturers should be using it, along with more colors for their devices, as I'm getting really bored with the black and white "options". It's like most of them are afraid to even try other (bold) colors, and just want to appeal to the lowest common denominator, and in the same time complain about not being able to differentiate, other than changing the skin on Android, which I think it's just an easy way out for them, instead of actually doing interesting things with their hardware design. The same thing applies to Nokia, which in the past have said that they wouldn't be able to differentiate with Android, but I think a Lumia-like device would've sold a lot more units with Android. Nokia's growth is being limited a lot by WP's own growth right now. They can only grow as fast as WP is growing, and if anything, it's Nokia pulling WP after them, rather than the other way around, which just goes to show how much better it would do with Android, which doesn't need to be "sold" to the public anymore.
- glass- 14y ago
  Samsung is the only manufacturer that is making money from Android, and Samsung doesn't advertise that they use Android anywhere in their marketing. Most Samsung phones don't even show an Android logo when you turn them on. Consumers don't know about or care about Android. "Normal" people do not go into a store looking for an Android. If Nokia had gone with Android, they would be in the exact same position they are now, except they wouldn't have Microsoft's $5bn cheque keeping them afloat. Personally I am glad they went with WP. I can't stand Android and so I am very happy there is another option.
adandy 14y ago
Out of left field for sure. I waited in line on launch day to buy my 920... all by myself for 5 whole minutes. Didn't even get a high five from the staff :(
- dagw 14y ago
  I went looking for one a a couple of days after launch here in Sweden just to have a look, and only found one store that had even bothered stocking them.
  - Gmo 14y ago
    That's because they just don't have stocks ... I don't know what Nokia did, but their production is not up to the demand (the demand itself being not THAT extraordinary, even if honest).
jwcooper 14y ago
I've only ever owned iOS devices, but when I see a Windows Phone, I kind of do a double take. Everything is so different, that I always want to play around with it, and try them out. I really want Microsoft to succeed in Windows Phone 8, and Windows 8, for the simple reason that competition is good. We'll be much better off with 3 giant companies competing rather than two. Also, the prospect of having a tablet computer with a full OS on it (Windows 8 Pro tablets) is pretty interesting to me. Loading up Steam, Visual Studio, a VM, while on the go (without the weight of a laptop) could be pretty neat.
richardlblair 14y ago
I'm more than proud to say I'm apart of those 4.4 million sales.
- JimmaDaRustla 14y ago
  I will be, waiting for the thinner/lighter 920.
  - richardlblair 14y ago
    Watch out bro.. you're going to get downvoted with that kind of talk.
milanvrekic 14y ago
I bought one, had it for two weeks and crawled back to iOS. Phone as a phone is very solid and beautiful, but Windows Mobile 8 is still a disaster. Doing a factory reset (regular, honest-to-god, get in the menu and select a reset) bricked the phone. And it seems to be common bug. Microsoft is blaming Nokia and Nokia is Blaming Microsoft....

62 points by reg29 14y ago

I've played with the Lumia at Best Buy a few times. It's a solid, attractive phone and I wouldn't be ashamed to carry one at all. I'm an iOS guy but as far as Windows Phone goes, I have to say it doesn't suck. I'm not saying that Microsoft's phone and tablet businesses will become a resounding success in spite of all current evidence, but I will say it would be a mistake to dismiss them.

jkat 14y ago
I've never even seen a windows phone (maybe they aren't popular in Asia?)...I remember when they first came out, most reviews seemed to agree it was very superficial and in need of a lot of polish. Has to story changed?
- freehunter 14y ago
  WP 7.5 added an almost-perfect level of polish to WP7. WP8 could use the same treatment. I haven't seen anything really show-stopping, but there are some minor annoyances that pop up. I don't recall seeing any reviews saying it needed significant polish beyond the fact of some missing features that were added in 7.1 and 7.5. Some of the inconsistent behavior has been cleaned up in 7.1, 7.5, and 8 (although 8 introduced some of its own). I don't regret running Windows Phone for the past two years. The only thing I miss is VPN support. The positives over Android and iOS vastly outweigh any of the negatives.
mattmaroon 14y ago
I'll give them credit. If you would have told me before Windows Phone launched that I'd be frequently reading iOS users saying it doesn't suck, I wouldn't have believed you. I feel like at this stage of the game that's a win. I'm still probably not switching though.
- lmm 14y ago
  That's the thing. MS has actually produced a really good product, better than any of the alternatives. But it's not going to be enough, because they're too late to get the app developers.
  - Blara 14y ago
    There are plenty of .NET developers so I don't think that will be an issue.
    - DigitalJack 14y ago
      I wonder if developing with ClojureCLR is possible for WP8.
    - AnthonyMouse 14y ago
      Isn't that like saying "there are plenty of Java developers so I don't think that will be an issue" when talking about RIM?
      - Blara 14y ago
        Not really, I think that WP will have a bigger userbase than RIM and I think that a better to compare against Android. I also assume that "phoneapps" will work on desktop/tablet windows 8 as well... But again, this is just my thoughts.
        AnthonyMouse 14y ago
        >I think that WP will have a bigger userbase than RIM and I think that a better to compare against Android. I think you're being extraordinarily optimistic. The latest numbers I could find quickly[1] show RIM with more than double the share of Microsoft, and with both showing a reduction in share vs. six months prior. You might be able to claim that people are abandoning RIM faster than they're abandoning Windows Phone, but even that is arguably because RIM is falling from a higher initial position. The other problem is that .NET makes no sense for mobile apps, because neither of the two largest mobile platforms have good (if any?) support for it. Everyone who is not some kind of Microsoft evangelist is going to support Android/iOS first, which means they're not using .NET and are not going to worry about a Windows port unless Windows Phone gets enough share to be worth worrying about. [1] http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/30/comscore-android-us-market-share-kept-growing-in-october/ http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/30/comscore-android-us-marke...
rayiner 14y ago
That's pretty much exactly how I felt about mine (before I returned it for an iPhone 5). It does indeed not suck. But you just can't shake the feeling that "this will be better two revisions from now." Take an exceedingly simple example: load up Hacker News, then look at the screen as you rotate the phone from portrait to landscape and back. On an iPhone 5, the rotation is smooth. On the Lumia 920, you see flashes of white as the screen is repainted in the new orientation. Yeah, this is window dressing, but it part of the user experience. This kind of attention to the user experience is missing throughout WP8. For example, the user interface relies heavily on glyphs (minimalistic icons), but doesn't use them consistently. In the Camera app, to get to the Photo Roll, you click an arrow icon. Does an arrow make me immediately think of my other photos? iOS uses a thumbnail of your most recent photo. And I think Nokia made a huge mistake with the form factor. Over the weekend I was trying to surf HN while feeding my baby, and I thought I was going to drop the phone on her. The extra weight (60% heavier than an iPhone) makes it that much harder to rely on friction to keep it in your hand. There is no way it would be a comfortable fit for my wife or my mom. The Lumia 820 is probably a better "appropriate for everyone" phone, but with a low-res screen, etc, it's not positioned that way.
- felideon 14y ago
  > Over the weekend I was trying to surf HN while feeding my baby Hopefully that's not a habit. Enjoy your baby!
  - malkia 14y ago
    And when he/she grows up, your phone would be lost forever... in their little hands :)
  - rayiner 14y ago
    The first feeding of the day both you and the baby want to bond. By the fourth, the baby just wants to download milk from the bottle into her tummy as fast as possible and you want to veg out on the Internet. :)
- pmelendez 14y ago
  I think you are being a bit too used to the iPhone experience. For instance, for me the example on the camera app is very intuitive, specially because the image animates out of screen in that direction so it looks pretty natural to me. I came from iPhone 3G, and an Android 2.1 before having a Lumia 900 (which I lost) and now a Lumia 920. I have to say that the windows phone experience was the most pleasant to me. Probably since I had worked with all them in a daily basis before that I am not specifically attached to anyone. I am agreed that 920 doesn't feel like a mainstream phone because the form factor, but it is good enough for the "experiment"/bet that they are doing. If this generation would sell decent I think we would see a lot of 92x where people would choose the model that fixes better to them.

outside1234 14y ago

I have a Nokia 920 and its solid, really solid. I went back to my iPhone over Christmas (I do mobile development) and I was thankful when I got back to the 920. Its very fast, very functional, love updating tiles. The only gotcha is music - the iPhone still crushes everyone on music apps / syncing / acquisition. Otherwise, the 920 was equal or better - even apps are coming along. Only missing Strava now for me.

kalid 14y ago
For what it's worth, off the top of my head I picked RunKeeper as an app I'd need before switching platforms. They stopped supporting WP last year (http://wmpoweruser.com/runkeeper-calls-its-quits-on-windows-phone-not-worth-their-time/ http://wmpoweruser.com/runkeeper-calls-its-quits-on-windows-...). It's becoming apparent that the app data can provide more lock-in than the OS itself. (I don't want to find an alternative and lose 2 years of data -- just for the first app I thought I'd need!)
- dpark 14y ago
  RunKeeper mentions Caledos as an option on their site. I haven't used it, and don't know how seamlessly it integrates with RunKeeper, but it has largely good ratings. http://runkeeper.com/apps/activity-tracking/caledos-runner-on-windows-phone/8012 http://runkeeper.com/apps/activity-tracking/caledos-runner-o... http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/caledos-runner/0509fec7-2044-441b-a466-1f0d3e997fd3 http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/caledos-runner/0...
freehunter 14y ago
I never understand when people say the iPhone is better for music. I'll grant you the Windows 8 Music app sucks on the desktop, but Zune was solid on Windows 7. The WP8 music app is great, the Zune Pass/Xbox Music Pass is basically the biggest reason I can't seriously consider switching platforms. $8/mo for 10 songs DRM-free and streaming/caching all other songs in their database is huge! Nokia Music playlists are huge, and free! The speakers on the Lumia 920 are much better than iPhone speakers in comparisons with my coworkers. What music apps is WP missing in your experience?

lawdawg 14y ago

Last I read, Nokia accounts for 75% of all WP device sales, which means we can estimate around 6 million WP devices were shipped (not sold) during Q4 2012. Unlike Apple (which also calls shipments "sales" in their quarterly report), Nokia devices aren't in incredibly high demand (other than perhaps the 920). I can't really see how this is good news for WP when Android and iOS activated 17.1 million devices on Christmas Day alone. I can't imagine Q1 2013 being any better for Nokia when they have no major devices going out, and no major WP upgrades upcoming either.

mtgx 14y ago
To put that in perspective with Android sales, the whole of WP sold in a quarter as much as Android in 4 days. I still think Nokia made a huge mistake not making Android phones, too. 4 million Lumias (low-end and high-end ones) is not enough to make them recover on time. They'll still probably get acquired, possibly this year.
- daliusd 14y ago
  Maybe that's the plan? IMHO Elop did everything to make Nokia unattractive to all possible buyers except Microsoft. I see the only option for Apple to try buying Nokia to at least make it more expensive for MS. I don't believe Apple could buy Nokia because that most probably wouldn't be met very friendly by EU bureaucrats.
- OGinparadise 14y ago
  Nokia is up by double digits so investors are liking this. With confidence, they might even raise the money they need. Whether it's as good for Microsoft it's another story
- astrodust 14y ago
  They can always go back to making boots. There's a large hipster market out there.
Gmo 14y ago
Well, for once, there are a lot of markets where the 920 and 820 haven't been launched yet. Here in Europe, it was launched in France, Germany and the UK, but only now is it launched in the Netherlands (where I live) and Belgium, and probably other smaller European countries.

jpxxx 14y ago

Perhaps there's hope of them being a top-10 smartphone manufacturer someday.

jxi 14y ago
They were top 10 before. They were #1 at some point too with the best phone back in the day: N95.
- Samuel_Michon 14y ago
  The N95 and the iPhone were both released in 2007, 3 months apart. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_n95 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_n95 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_(1st_generation) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_(1st_generation)

mtgx 14y ago

I don't know why manufacturers aren't using machined polycarbonate more the way Nokia and HTC do. It seems LG and Sony are just now trying to be where Apple was 2 years ago with the glass-back phones, which I think was a very poor material to use and a mistake on Apple's part. I think they quickly realized that, but it took them a while to create an aluminum iPhone the right way, because as we know aluminum is not great for radio connections, so you'll have to arrange the radios in such a way that the body doesn't interfere with them, which is probably why it took them so long, and why they made the iPhone 4S identical to iPhone 4. I won't even discuss Samsung, which seems to have a fetish for crappy plastic. If it were after me, phones would all have metallic bodies, because it feels the best in hand, but you won't get full metal bodies anyway, but a mixture of metal and plastic or glass (like iPhone 5). The best compromise between being easy to make and also feeling solid in hand seems to be polycarbonate right now, and more manufacturers should be using it, along with more colors for their devices, as I'm getting really bored with the black and white "options". It's like most of them are afraid to even try other (bold) colors, and just want to appeal to the lowest common denominator, and in the same time complain about not being able to differentiate, other than changing the skin on Android, which I think it's just an easy way out for them, instead of actually doing interesting things with their hardware design. The same thing applies to Nokia, which in the past have said that they wouldn't be able to differentiate with Android, but I think a Lumia-like device would've sold a lot more units with Android. Nokia's growth is being limited a lot by WP's own growth right now. They can only grow as fast as WP is growing, and if anything, it's Nokia pulling WP after them, rather than the other way around, which just goes to show how much better it would do with Android, which doesn't need to be "sold" to the public anymore.

glass- 14y ago
Samsung is the only manufacturer that is making money from Android, and Samsung doesn't advertise that they use Android anywhere in their marketing. Most Samsung phones don't even show an Android logo when you turn them on. Consumers don't know about or care about Android. "Normal" people do not go into a store looking for an Android. If Nokia had gone with Android, they would be in the exact same position they are now, except they wouldn't have Microsoft's $5bn cheque keeping them afloat. Personally I am glad they went with WP. I can't stand Android and so I am very happy there is another option.

adandy 14y ago

Out of left field for sure. I waited in line on launch day to buy my 920... all by myself for 5 whole minutes. Didn't even get a high five from the staff :(

dagw 14y ago
I went looking for one a a couple of days after launch here in Sweden just to have a look, and only found one store that had even bothered stocking them.
- Gmo 14y ago
  That's because they just don't have stocks ... I don't know what Nokia did, but their production is not up to the demand (the demand itself being not THAT extraordinary, even if honest).

jwcooper 14y ago

I've only ever owned iOS devices, but when I see a Windows Phone, I kind of do a double take. Everything is so different, that I always want to play around with it, and try them out. I really want Microsoft to succeed in Windows Phone 8, and Windows 8, for the simple reason that competition is good. We'll be much better off with 3 giant companies competing rather than two. Also, the prospect of having a tablet computer with a full OS on it (Windows 8 Pro tablets) is pretty interesting to me. Loading up Steam, Visual Studio, a VM, while on the go (without the weight of a laptop) could be pretty neat.

richardlblair 14y ago

I'm more than proud to say I'm apart of those 4.4 million sales.

JimmaDaRustla 14y ago
I will be, waiting for the thinner/lighter 920.
- richardlblair 14y ago
  Watch out bro.. you're going to get downvoted with that kind of talk.

milanvrekic 14y ago

I bought one, had it for two weeks and crawled back to iOS. Phone as a phone is very solid and beautiful, but Windows Mobile 8 is still a disaster. Doing a factory reset (regular, honest-to-god, get in the menu and select a reset) bricked the phone. And it seems to be common bug. Microsoft is blaming Nokia and Nokia is Blaming Microsoft....