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How many of the projects delivered products to their backers within 3 months of the Estimated Delivery Date?

angryasian 14y ago
agree delivering is the most important stat that they left out. Not only within the 3 months but delivered at all.
marknutter 14y ago
How many businesses with investors fail? Who cares if they deliver or not, the point is "kickstarting" something, not pre-ordering something.
- pbhjpbhj 14y ago
  >Who cares if they deliver or not // The investors?
  - zanny 14y ago
    I don't see Kickstater or its surrogate crowdfunding tool going truly mainstream until after someone devises a legal mechanism to hold projects accountable for taking the money and running.
  - RobotCaleb 14y ago
    There are no investors in Kickstarter.
  - marknutter 14y ago
    That was poorly phrased. I meant, it's not about pre-paying for a product, it's about funding something you believe will be awesome if it's created, and if it is created, getting access to it in some way.
    - hnriot 14y ago
      It's totally about pre-paying for a product or service. To think anything else is very naive. You really think all those people were just wanted to believe in something awesome - no they wanted that Pebble watch or that Dresden Dolls album.
- peterhajas 14y ago
  Backer rewards are (if they meet their funding goal) "You will get ___". If I don't receive it, then they should refund me. I'm not throwing money away for the sheer whim of "backing" people who won't give me my reward - I expect the reward. I care if they deliver or not! I paid money! If they don't deliver, then they stole from me.
  - marknutter 14y ago
    Then you probably shouldn't be backing projects on kickstarter.
arrrg 14y ago
You are completely wrong about what is precious about Kickstarter. If you expect projects to be on time you couldn’t have picked a worse thing than Kickstarter. That’s not what it’s good at. And it’s nevertheless completely awesome. Take the Double Fine Adventure: It will completely overshoot the estimated delivery date by a long, long time. However, following its progress has been one of the most awesome media consumption things I have done this year. I don‘t even care if the game is ever released (well, I do, but only because I want Double Fine to do well, not for my own enjoyment). At Kickstarter you give money to something that might or might not work out in the end, but that will most definitely overshoot its estimated delivery date – if it doesn’t it’s a fluke. That’s how you have to see it. Maybe that’s not something for you, but for me it’s great fun. And that’s all that matters.
- peterhajas 14y ago
  I certainly understand the point of "crowd funding". > If you expect projects to be on time you couldn’t have picked a worse thing than Kickstarter... Take the Double Fine Adventure: It will completely overshoot the estimated delivery date by a long, long time This is a problem with estimation. It's way worse to overshoot a delivery time than deliver before it. This is poor project planning. If I would have known this, I perhaps would not have backed Double Fine Adventures. > At Kickstarter you give money to something that might or might not work out in the end, but that will most definitely overshoot its estimated delivery date I disagree fundamentally. If a project is funded, then it is funded. The backer rewards aren't qualified with "if we're successful". They're "you will get ___". > if it doesn’t it’s a fluke. If I didn't get my backer reward, then they stole from me. If I do, and I get it late, then they poorly managed their delivery date.
  - manuelflara 14y ago
    >> if it doesn’t it’s a fluke. >If I didn't get my backer reward, then they stole from me. http://www.kickstarter.com/blog/kickstarter-is-not-a-store http://www.kickstarter.com/blog/kickstarter-is-not-a-store
  - arrrg 14y ago

agree delivering is the most important stat that they left out. Not only within the 3 months but delivered at all.

How many businesses with investors fail? Who cares if they deliver or not, the point is "kickstarting" something, not pre-ordering something.

pbhjpbhj 14y ago
>Who cares if they deliver or not // The investors?
- zanny 14y ago
  I don't see Kickstater or its surrogate crowdfunding tool going truly mainstream until after someone devises a legal mechanism to hold projects accountable for taking the money and running.
- RobotCaleb 14y ago
  There are no investors in Kickstarter.
- marknutter 14y ago
  That was poorly phrased. I meant, it's not about pre-paying for a product, it's about funding something you believe will be awesome if it's created, and if it is created, getting access to it in some way.
  - hnriot 14y ago
    It's totally about pre-paying for a product or service. To think anything else is very naive. You really think all those people were just wanted to believe in something awesome - no they wanted that Pebble watch or that Dresden Dolls album.
peterhajas 14y ago
Backer rewards are (if they meet their funding goal) "You will get ___". If I don't receive it, then they should refund me. I'm not throwing money away for the sheer whim of "backing" people who won't give me my reward - I expect the reward. I care if they deliver or not! I paid money! If they don't deliver, then they stole from me.
- marknutter 14y ago
  Then you probably shouldn't be backing projects on kickstarter.

arrrg 14y ago

You are completely wrong about what is precious about Kickstarter. If you expect projects to be on time you couldn’t have picked a worse thing than Kickstarter. That’s not what it’s good at. And it’s nevertheless completely awesome. Take the Double Fine Adventure: It will completely overshoot the estimated delivery date by a long, long time. However, following its progress has been one of the most awesome media consumption things I have done this year. I don‘t even care if the game is ever released (well, I do, but only because I want Double Fine to do well, not for my own enjoyment). At Kickstarter you give money to something that might or might not work out in the end, but that will most definitely overshoot its estimated delivery date – if it doesn’t it’s a fluke. That’s how you have to see it. Maybe that’s not something for you, but for me it’s great fun. And that’s all that matters.

peterhajas 14y ago
I certainly understand the point of "crowd funding". > If you expect projects to be on time you couldn’t have picked a worse thing than Kickstarter... Take the Double Fine Adventure: It will completely overshoot the estimated delivery date by a long, long time This is a problem with estimation. It's way worse to overshoot a delivery time than deliver before it. This is poor project planning. If I would have known this, I perhaps would not have backed Double Fine Adventures. > At Kickstarter you give money to something that might or might not work out in the end, but that will most definitely overshoot its estimated delivery date I disagree fundamentally. If a project is funded, then it is funded. The backer rewards aren't qualified with "if we're successful". They're "you will get ___". > if it doesn’t it’s a fluke. If I didn't get my backer reward, then they stole from me. If I do, and I get it late, then they poorly managed their delivery date.
- manuelflara 14y ago
  >> if it doesn’t it’s a fluke. >If I didn't get my backer reward, then they stole from me. http://www.kickstarter.com/blog/kickstarter-is-not-a-store http://www.kickstarter.com/blog/kickstarter-is-not-a-store
- arrrg 14y ago