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Why Codeworkx ceased Development of CyanogenMod 10 for the Galaxy S3
- akandiah 14y agoHere's the beginning of a detailed 10-part post on the topic: https://plus.google.com/u/0/101093310520661581786/posts/ZgBQuZNzMZL https://plus.google.com/u/0/101093310520661581786/posts/ZgBQ... Links to the other parts are contained in each post.
- dancsi 14y agoI agree, this is a great overview of the current and past events
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- paolovictor 14y agoThe title is a little misleading, it led me to believe that it was about Android app developers, not custom distro developers. That being said, I'm a bit thorn on this. From the developer side, Samsung seem a bit too prickly, specially when Android is touted as an "open" platform. On Samsung's side, it has no obligation whatsoever to provide all the data and source when asked.
- wildranter 14y agoWhen you play in big business level, except from marketing statements, there's no such thing as open. In this context, open was touted by Google as an advantage over iOS just to get mind share. Give them time and they'll tear this notion apart. Samsung already started.
- hellerbarde 14y agoObligation, no. But they seem to have "promised" devices and support for the CM dev team (I may have misunderstood that though.). They got the devices, but not the support. So i think it's fair enough of that guy to call them out on it. Don't promise things you won't keep. At least not to people that you want to keep around. (Whyever they would care about CM...)
- dancsi 14y agoIn fact, as far as I understood, they do have an obligation, because the (GPL licensed) kernel requires them to release source code for some parts of the system
- dagw 14y agoThey've released the stuff their obliged to release under the GPL, that's not the problem. However they also promised to release more, and now apparently have no intention on following up on that promise.
- buster 14y agoI just hope that Motorola+Google will be a rolemodel in the future in this regard. The Google Nexus devices have been very good to go for modding. Now Motorola needs to do that as well. They could even make us of the modding scene to provide regular updates instead of what is currently the case with every manufacturer for non-Nexus devices.
- nicholassmith 14y agoI wonder if this might end up as a trend towards the 'leaders' on the Android scene moving away from the Samsung stable to another manufacturer, and if so will that lead to the community following? Samsung is doing fantastically well at the moment so it doesn't make sense for them to start picking up a bad reputation for not playing ball.
- ryanmacg 14y agoIt's extra bizarre when you consider that Daniel still seems to be (based on his G+) developing for the S3
- muyuu 14y agoHe said he planned to switch to the Xperia T, but I guess he will want to leave something at least workable for the S3 before that. EDIT: not sure about the current state of things, seems that this is a translation from an interview that happened several months ago, which explains why the Xperia T wasn't out yet.
- ryanmacg 14y agoYeah, I've kept a close eye on this since I own an S3 and run CM and he's definitely still working on it from what I've seen. That might be related to Samsung saying they'd be more open going forward though
- joezydeco 14y ago"Qualcomm + TI = good chances for AOSP..." Um, isn't TI exiting the phone market?
- gregsq 14y agoThat's partly it. TI is letting the OMAP5 out into the embedded market, where it has a lot more strength, through SOM partners like Phytec. This could look to some as a possible future subversion tactic.
- joezydeco 14y agoStrength? Sure. Volume? No. The only hope for OMAP in the open-source/AOSP world is if maybe Amazon picks it up. Or, as a longshot, maybe someone making automotive systems (although Freescale is doing better there). If Qualcomm or Broadcom happens to want it, um, I wouldn't hold out for any new releases.
- gregsq 14y agoI tend to agree with this. Samsung made a big event of declaring their support for developers of Exynos devices, but have stayed quiet and slow in showing that they meant it. The Mali GPU is one area where access is still locked down to a binary blob, and it doesn't look as if that will change. The GPU is accessible under license to ARM partners according to ARM, though I've not seen it, and I think it's not Samsung's to give away unilaterally. There's competitive advantage issues involved no doubt, including the fact that Imagination GPU design, just down the M1 motorway from ARM, and used in the OMAP5, are locked down as well. The Exynos 5 dual core is a great device, but as in so much to do with ARM licenses, the peripherals are the work of the licensee. Texas Instruments use dual Cortex-m4's along with A15's in the OMAP5 which is a very capable approach when combined with good peripherals. I can see why Samsung would be cautious, but I do think they've been misleading in promising more than they could deliver. So far it just looks like a fork of Android Jellybean.
- matthiasb 14y agoI understand his frustration. I can only imagine he spent many hours fighting to get his distro to work with his S3 and he now realized he has to give up. It's never a good feeling!
- Zigurd 14y agoBefore blaming OEMs, look to Google for leadership, or lack of it, in supporting Android as an open system by encouraging open drivers and documented peripherals. Google has wielded the "Anti-fragmentation Agreement" as a whip to keep Android OEMs from straying into temptations like Aliyun. Surely a bit of love for AOSP-based Android distributions that grow the system integration talent pool are within the scope of not being evil.
- jackalope 14y agoThis article highlights one of my frustrations with Android as a platform. As a longtime Linux user, I couldn't wait to get an Android smartphone. For some reason, I thought I would enjoy the same freedoms on a familiar and secure platform. But I shortly discovered that Google reinvented the wheel (poorly) for everything, manufacturers went to great lengths to lock down devices, and carriers blocked security and version updates even when the manufacturer had released them in other markets. The Android I had to endure for the last two years looked nothing like the Linux I used on my desktop and servers; it was more reminiscent of Windows 95. So, in an ironic twist, I replaced it with a Lumia 920 running Windows Phone 8 this past December. It isn't Linux either, but it excels as a smartphone and the UI is fantastic (I much prefer live tiles over icons littering a desktop). When I use it, I get the sense that Microsoft paid close attention to the things users hate about Android and iOS. If they can resist feature creep and retain their focus on simplicity and security, they might have a real contender. It's too bad Google didn't exert more control over the user experience in Android and allowed manufacturers and carriers to create such a mess that exists today.
- w1ntermute 14y agoThe "only icons" problem is only an iOS issue. You can get much the same functionality as live tiles on Android with widgets.
- myko 14y agoHeck, you can even install launchers that clone the Windows Phone interface entirely. I'm kind of surprised Microsoft hasn't released an Android UI library for Modern apps on Android, as I think it could push more Android users into choosing Windows Phone when its time to purchase their next device.
- gte910h 14y agoMicrosoft doesn't think like that. They still make it damn impossible to run the windows phone simulator on Mac (even with a virtual machine, can't run the game part), so no iOS devs bother with the platform.
- jstalin 14y agoA reason to support upcoming Ubuntu phone distro?
- chmike 14y agoProvided they have hardware and the support of operators.
- Dirlewanger 14y agoUbuntu phones are DOA. Whatever they promise us now will not be what potential customers expect from a smartphone in six months, let alone a year+. The mobile market changes at such an insane rate. They have an incredible amount of ground to cover, deals to make, and markets to enter if they expect to get any ROI at all.
- skrebbel 14y agoIs this a linkbait title or do I misundertand things? The article is about how Samsung does not actively support Cyanogenmod. Translating that to "screwing over Android developers" is like saying that Nintendo screws over Linux developers by not making it easy to install Linux on a Wii.
- megablast 14y agoExcept Samsung promised they would work with developers, whereas Nintendo did no such thing. Samsung is becoming very big and powerful, and seems to be acting very different than they have in the past, just like other big companies such as Apple, Microsoft, Google.
- JohnFromBuffalo 14y agoSamsung makes Android phones?
- dwrowe 14y agoYes, with heavily customized UIs. Rather distinct from the standard Android experience. Personally, I find it annoying, and it doesn't add that much value for me. I liken it to the bloatware installed on Windows machines in the past.
- JohnFromBuffalo 14y agoSamsung makes Android phones?
- JohnFromBuffalo 14y agoSamsung makes Android phones?
- JohnFromBuffalo 14y agoSamsung makes Android phones?
- JohnFromBuffalo 14y agoSamsung makes Android phones?
- gcb0 14y agoIn this thread: everyone complains about carriers lock in and then proceed to play angry birds on their $0.99 phones locked into 2yr contract. damn you all to hell.