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Maybe for more people on HN, Lisp is part of their identity, so they get defensive.

jrockway 18y ago
I haven't noticed this. Most people here seem to be PHP "programmers", which I find hilarious. There is also a large Ruby contingent (whenever someone links their open source project, it's always Ruby.)
- jonny_noog 18y ago
  You could have conveyed the same salient information without the elitist subtext.
  - jrockway 18y ago
    Probably, but I don't think I should try to hide my biases and personal opinions on social news sites.
    - jonny_noog 18y ago
      To me, there's a difference between having a bias or giving a personal opinion and intentionally insulting a group of people. But to you I guess there isn't. If you met someone face to face who happened to be a PHP programmer, would you let them know that ostensibly based solely on the language that they happen to be using at the time, you don't consider them a real programmer? I'm just saying man, it's a slippery slope and one that I actively try to avoid these days.
      - jrockway 18y ago
        If you met someone face to face who happened to be a PHP programmer, would you let them know that ostensibly based solely on the language that they happen to be using at the time, you don't consider them a real programmer? Sure, why not.
        jonny_noog 18y ago
        Well, possibly because that's a textbook definition of bigotry right there, and I don't feel that bigotry is something we generally need more of. Even if it is - as I suspect in your case - something of an act. Happening across some of your other posts, you seem to be a person who likes to make sweeping generalisations in the hope of offending someone. I suspect that you're well aware of what you're doing and are doing it intentionally. So I'll wish you good luck with that and be on my way.
- jimbokun 18y ago
  Why the quotes around "programmers"? I think Facebook is mostly PHP (or at least was initially?) and I am definitely not going to claim no one working at Facebook is a programmer. I understand that PHP is an atrocious language (although I haven't tried it myself). But if someone uses it to create a product that people want and satisfies a need, more power to them, right?
  - jrockway 18y ago
    I'm just saying that the demographic here is more people that think they can get rich off some PHP app than hard-core Lisp hackers. I am not saying that there are no PHP programmers, merely that the PHP-lovers here don't do much programming. I am being unfair to PHP, though... Java sucks too.
k0n2acl 18y ago
Without Lisp, I am nothing :)

I haven't noticed this. Most people here seem to be PHP "programmers", which I find hilarious. There is also a large Ruby contingent (whenever someone links their open source project, it's always Ruby.)

jonny_noog 18y ago
You could have conveyed the same salient information without the elitist subtext.
- jrockway 18y ago
  Probably, but I don't think I should try to hide my biases and personal opinions on social news sites.
  - jonny_noog 18y ago
    To me, there's a difference between having a bias or giving a personal opinion and intentionally insulting a group of people. But to you I guess there isn't. If you met someone face to face who happened to be a PHP programmer, would you let them know that ostensibly based solely on the language that they happen to be using at the time, you don't consider them a real programmer? I'm just saying man, it's a slippery slope and one that I actively try to avoid these days.
    - jrockway 18y ago
      If you met someone face to face who happened to be a PHP programmer, would you let them know that ostensibly based solely on the language that they happen to be using at the time, you don't consider them a real programmer? Sure, why not.
      - jonny_noog 18y ago
        Well, possibly because that's a textbook definition of bigotry right there, and I don't feel that bigotry is something we generally need more of. Even if it is - as I suspect in your case - something of an act. Happening across some of your other posts, you seem to be a person who likes to make sweeping generalisations in the hope of offending someone. I suspect that you're well aware of what you're doing and are doing it intentionally. So I'll wish you good luck with that and be on my way.
jimbokun 18y ago
Why the quotes around "programmers"? I think Facebook is mostly PHP (or at least was initially?) and I am definitely not going to claim no one working at Facebook is a programmer. I understand that PHP is an atrocious language (although I haven't tried it myself). But if someone uses it to create a product that people want and satisfies a need, more power to them, right?
- jrockway 18y ago
  I'm just saying that the demographic here is more people that think they can get rich off some PHP app than hard-core Lisp hackers. I am not saying that there are no PHP programmers, merely that the PHP-lovers here don't do much programming. I am being unfair to PHP, though... Java sucks too.

k0n2acl 18y ago

Without Lisp, I am nothing :)