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What a load of crap. Grow up people. Microsoft Office is worth every single cent.

• pixl97 14y ago
  Of course Microsoft software is worth every cent (dollars many of them) that Microsoft thinks it is, the question here is, 'Is public debate of Microsoft's sales to the schools of Greece up for public debate?'. Microsoft certainly wants to be a sole supplier on a privately discussed contract. If I were trying to maximize my profits, I'd want exactly the same.
• richardjordan 14y ago
  That's your opinion on the pricing of MS Office and its commercial value - correct or otherwise. However, I think the question is whether it makes sense to mandate its use in the education system, in several years time, given the rapidly changing commercial realities and - good value for businesses or not - the high price of using Microsoft products in such an environment by a government that is virtually bankrupt. You may or may not be right on the value of MS Office, but I think its use in this context is easily and legitimately challenged.
  • bitwize 14y ago
    "Rapidly changing commercial realities" haven't produced a tool as useful or flexible for analyzing large amounts of financial data as Excel. They also haven't produced an alternative word processor that can correctly read and format any arbitrary Word document. Go ahead, try and tell your boss that you never read that important memo he sent out because your office suite mangled the document. For interacting with the business world, Microsoft Office is absolutely essential -- a bargain at thrice the price.
    • andmarios 14y ago
      Someone isn't using MS Office apparently. I've seen more incompatibilities between various versions of MS Word than between LibreOffice and any version of MS Word.
    • shmerl 14y ago
      You need to start changes somewhere. It's not absolutely essential - it's what MS wants you to think. Think different.
    • codeka 14y ago
      I've never seen an office application that so badly mangles a Word document that you can't even read it. 100% fidelity is not going to happen, but unless you're designing brochures or things for print, you don't need 100% fidelity.
      • stephen_g 14y ago
        If you're designing something for print, you shouldn't be using Office...
      • bitwize 14y ago
        I've never seen an office application that so badly mangles a Word document that you can't even read it. Back in a former job, I was managing documents for a big project. The government mandated the use of Word format. When I opened some of the documents up in LibreOffice, only a single, completely blank page was visible. This tended to happen with .docx files but not with .doc files. So YES, open source office suites DO mangle Microsoft Office documents beyond readability. The only thing that's guaranteed to work is Microsoft Office, so governments and businesses will keep using it.
    • dbaupp 14y ago
      In many ways, Excel is too flexible and yet not flexible enough for data processing: it temptingly allows people to do some analysis but can very easily build up into a crufty mess of unreadable in-cell formulas and VB macros. Often a database, JSON or just plain CSV files, combined with R or Python+libraries, will give a far far better result (faster, maintainable, more flexible presentation, reusable, VCS-able).
      • slurry 14y ago
        Excel is completely terrible but it puts real analytic power in the hands of non-technical people. For most business organizations, Excel alone is worth the price of Office, even if only a couple of accountants or marketing people use its power features. Better to solve the right problem the wrong way. Come to think about it, "too flexible and yet not flexible enough" describes all the popular scripting languages, too - Python not least among them.
    • pktoss 14y ago
      This might be true for YOUR use case and company. We are talking about Greek high-schools, which use like 1% of the capabilities of Excel,Word or even LibreOffice's calc and writer. So IMHO this point is moot. If nothing else I would prefer Greek students get used to the emphasis writer places on using styles instead of "ad-hoc" formatting.
  • dbaupp 14y ago
    I'm not sure if you were trying to make this point or not, but the vendor lock-in that MS gets from education must be massive: millions of students grow up using only MS software, it's what they get used to and practiced in, so they stick with it forever.
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• shmerl 14y ago
  No, it doesn't. Especially for schools - it's a pointless waste of money and sneaky tactic by MS to hook students on their products early on. Schools should ditch MS and adopt open source solutions for the sake of the future generations.
• andmarios 14y ago
  You should grow up. Greece is in the midst of an economic crisis. Even if MS Office does worth its price (I disagree), Greece has to do everything it can to lower its operating expenses. The equivalent to your argument, is a person making 20,000€/year, asking for a small family car and you suggest a Porsche because "it worths every single cent".
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• andmarios 14y ago
  You should grow up. Greece is in the midst of an economic crisis. Even if MS Office does worth its price (I disagree), Greece has to do everything it can to lower its operating expenses. The equivalent to your argument, is a person making 20,000€/year, asking for a small family car and you suggest a Porsche because "it worths every single cent".