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Funny how Apple has reached the crapware maturity level that Microsoft users are quite familiar with: After first boot, go through a long list of things to deac

Funny how Apple has reached the crapware maturity level that Microsoft users are quite familiar with: After first boot, go through a long list of things to deactivate so that one can experience at least some feeling of agency and privacy when using your own hardware.

ASalazarMX 5d ago
I'd expect turning off Siri as a whole, which is very easy, would be enough. The list is for people who still want to use Siri after it became a OS-level LLM, I mean, Apple Intelligence.
ryandrake 5d ago
It's the "agency" bit that really annoys me. The Computer is no longer Personal. I expect my personal computer to only do things that I choose to invoke. It should not do a laundry list of things that the device manufacturer wants it to do, nor a laundry list of things the OS vendor wants it to do. I shouldn't have to turn things off. They shouldn't be on to begin with, unless I deliberately turned them on. Of course this doesn't extend to obvious things like "running the kernel" and "initializing the filesystem." But in general I want to be the person responsible for running things, not some product manager 3,000 miles away in Silicon Valley.
- arcanemachiner 5d ago
  > The Computer is no longer Personal. I expect my personal computer to only do things that I choose to invoke. The internet and its consequences have been a disaster for the personal computer user.
  - Terr_ 5d ago
    Yeah, whatever happened to the personal computer, a kind of capital equipment available to the masses, something you own and can direct towards your goals and wellbeing? Instead it's like we're sharecropping on a device companies have established as a colonial outpost to monitor us for profitable compliance.
throw0101c 5d ago
> After first boot, go through a long list of things to deactivate so that one can experience at least some feeling of agency and privacy when using your own hardware. The difference is that you can actually not set these things up: with Windows you often have to choice. Macs allow you to not have an iCloud account and run just fine without them, whereas to avoid a Microsoft cloud account there are magic CLI incantations that have to be invoked. And once you say "no", Apple generally leaves you alone. I don't mind a bit of 'upsell' or informing (new) users of available offerings, as long as I get a choice.
- moose333 5d ago
  > Macs allow you to not have an iCloud account and run just fine without them Until you need to install an app through the App store. Even a free app will refuse to install without an iCloud account. Frustrating when you want something with a verified source, for me it was Wireguard, and don't want to build it locally.
  - reaperducer 5d ago
    That's on Wireguard. If they can apt get on Ubuntu, they can likely brew install on macOS.
  - throwaway27448 5d ago
    > Until you need to install an app through the App store. Do you have an example of needing to go through the app store? There's apple's apps, I guess.
- butlike 5d ago
  The issue with iCloud is that before you even know it, you're paying $9.99/mo. Since 200gb is quite low, the next tier up is 2tb for $9.99, but then you're essentially locked in. I can't view the iCloud price tiers as anything other than predatory.
  - throwaway27448 5d ago
    > The issue with iCloud is that before you even know it, you're paying $9.99/mo. Sounds like the issue is you.
throwaway27448 5d ago
Comparing apple intelligence to a service that records your screen without consent feels extremely disingenuous.

ASalazarMX 5d ago

I'd expect turning off Siri as a whole, which is very easy, would be enough. The list is for people who still want to use Siri after it became a OS-level LLM, I mean, Apple Intelligence.

ryandrake 5d ago

It's the "agency" bit that really annoys me. The Computer is no longer Personal. I expect my personal computer to only do things that I choose to invoke. It should not do a laundry list of things that the device manufacturer wants it to do, nor a laundry list of things the OS vendor wants it to do. I shouldn't have to turn things off. They shouldn't be on to begin with, unless I deliberately turned them on. Of course this doesn't extend to obvious things like "running the kernel" and "initializing the filesystem." But in general I want to be the person responsible for running things, not some product manager 3,000 miles away in Silicon Valley.

arcanemachiner 5d ago
> The Computer is no longer Personal. I expect my personal computer to only do things that I choose to invoke. The internet and its consequences have been a disaster for the personal computer user.
- Terr_ 5d ago
  Yeah, whatever happened to the personal computer, a kind of capital equipment available to the masses, something you own and can direct towards your goals and wellbeing? Instead it's like we're sharecropping on a device companies have established as a colonial outpost to monitor us for profitable compliance.

throw0101c 5d ago

> After first boot, go through a long list of things to deactivate so that one can experience at least some feeling of agency and privacy when using your own hardware. The difference is that you can actually not set these things up: with Windows you often have to choice. Macs allow you to not have an iCloud account and run just fine without them, whereas to avoid a Microsoft cloud account there are magic CLI incantations that have to be invoked. And once you say "no", Apple generally leaves you alone. I don't mind a bit of 'upsell' or informing (new) users of available offerings, as long as I get a choice.

moose333 5d ago
> Macs allow you to not have an iCloud account and run just fine without them Until you need to install an app through the App store. Even a free app will refuse to install without an iCloud account. Frustrating when you want something with a verified source, for me it was Wireguard, and don't want to build it locally.
- reaperducer 5d ago
  That's on Wireguard. If they can apt get on Ubuntu, they can likely brew install on macOS.
- throwaway27448 5d ago
  > Until you need to install an app through the App store. Do you have an example of needing to go through the app store? There's apple's apps, I guess.
butlike 5d ago
The issue with iCloud is that before you even know it, you're paying $9.99/mo. Since 200gb is quite low, the next tier up is 2tb for $9.99, but then you're essentially locked in. I can't view the iCloud price tiers as anything other than predatory.
- throwaway27448 5d ago
  > The issue with iCloud is that before you even know it, you're paying $9.99/mo. Sounds like the issue is you.

throwaway27448 5d ago

Comparing apple intelligence to a service that records your screen without consent feels extremely disingenuous.