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If you think current physics is insufficient but future physics might be sufficient, I can accept that but its still an unfounded belief. If you truly believe s

If you think current physics is insufficient but future physics might be sufficient, I can accept that but its still an unfounded belief. If you truly believe something "more" is needed, then you are placing a bet that always lost for centuries. Bets in anything supernatural or aphysical have always and consistently failed till now.

lolakutty 2mo ago
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Not my words.
- hardbass 2mo ago
  That magic means a different thing from supernatural magic.
  - lolakutty 2mo ago
    Oh, What does it mean then? You are so amusing....
    - hardbass 2mo ago
      Its a purely physical mechanism but one that is currently beyond our understanding. "Magic" magic is belief in souls, eg brains have aphysical magic.
      - lolakutty 2mo ago
        Why do you think "souls" can't have some physical mechanism that is beyond our current understanding?
        hardbass 2mo ago
        If you think "souls" have some physical mechanism then they are not souls by the definition I am using. We would then agree, though I do not yet think we have found reason for new physical laws to be required, however that can of course be a possibility.
        lolakutty 2mo ago
        >they are not souls by the definition Kindly share that concrete definition..
        hardbass 2mo ago
        It should have been clear from our discussion when I said "souls" I meant belief in the non-physical. Magic juice in the brain that is unexplainable by physics at all. Being unexplainable by current physics but explainable by future physics is not a "soul" by that definition.
        lolakutty 2mo ago
        > non-physical. Now, what is your definition for this?
        hardbass 2mo ago
        Go ask the people who believe in it. I for one cannot understand how something aphysical can affect our thoughts and decisions. But some think consciousness resides outside of physical systems entirely.
        lolakutty 2mo ago
        But you said it, so you should have a definition, or else what did you mean to communicate by saying it? Or are you just parroting cool sounding words and phrases?
        2mo ago

lolakutty 2mo ago

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Not my words.

hardbass 2mo ago
That magic means a different thing from supernatural magic.
- lolakutty 2mo ago
  Oh, What does it mean then? You are so amusing....
  - hardbass 2mo ago
    Its a purely physical mechanism but one that is currently beyond our understanding. "Magic" magic is belief in souls, eg brains have aphysical magic.
    - lolakutty 2mo ago
      Why do you think "souls" can't have some physical mechanism that is beyond our current understanding?
      - hardbass 2mo ago
        If you think "souls" have some physical mechanism then they are not souls by the definition I am using. We would then agree, though I do not yet think we have found reason for new physical laws to be required, however that can of course be a possibility.
        lolakutty 2mo ago
        >they are not souls by the definition Kindly share that concrete definition..
        hardbass 2mo ago
        It should have been clear from our discussion when I said "souls" I meant belief in the non-physical. Magic juice in the brain that is unexplainable by physics at all. Being unexplainable by current physics but explainable by future physics is not a "soul" by that definition.
        lolakutty 2mo ago
        > non-physical. Now, what is your definition for this?
        hardbass 2mo ago
        Go ask the people who believe in it. I for one cannot understand how something aphysical can affect our thoughts and decisions. But some think consciousness resides outside of physical systems entirely.
        lolakutty 2mo ago
        But you said it, so you should have a definition, or else what did you mean to communicate by saying it? Or are you just parroting cool sounding words and phrases?
        2mo ago