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>But that tells you nothing about what's going on on the inside It does not have to tell us anything. Because we built it..We know what is going on the inside.

>But that tells you nothing about what's going on on the inside It does not have to tell us anything. Because we built it..We know what is going on the inside. There is nothing more to it..

hardbass 5d ago
Why do security bugs in Linux exist? We built Linux, we know everything that is going on inside.
- lolakutty 5d ago
  Yes, we can explain the bugs by looking at the code that we put in and the data it bugs out on. In a similar way, we can explain the behavior of LLMs by look at their code and the data the code operates upon. There is no mystery anywhere...
  - hardbass 5d ago
    And why do you think we can't do the same for brains?
    - lolakutty 5d ago
      Because we didn't build the brain..
      - hardbass 5d ago
        We didn't build most things in nature. We didn't build hills for example, but we can pile earth and make a hill. Why are brains special? Again, no progress is possible unless you define what consciousness is in your view. I shall have to halt any conversation otherwise.
        lolakutty 5d ago
        >Why are brains special? They are not special. You can pile brains too, if that is your thing.. > I shall have to halt any conversation otherwise. Hey, it is easy. Just don't press the reply button...
  - hardbass 5d ago
    You said you know everything about it. Then you should not have written bugs in the first place. How are you sure a system we wrote didn't emerge consciousness, if you can't even prove a system you wrote doesn't have classic logic bugs?
    - lolakutty 5d ago
      >You said you know everything about it. Yes, we know everything we put there. But we cannot consider all the possible inputs and all the possible state that the code should handle. Bugs come from that limitation. > How are you sure a system we wrote didn't emerge consciousness, Sure, as I said elsewhere, rocks could be conscious for all we know. Keep believing that if it makes you feel good.

>But that tells you nothing about what's going on on the inside It does not have to tell us anything. Because we built it..We know what is going on the inside. There is nothing more to it..

hardbass 5d ago

Why do security bugs in Linux exist? We built Linux, we know everything that is going on inside.

lolakutty 5d ago
Yes, we can explain the bugs by looking at the code that we put in and the data it bugs out on. In a similar way, we can explain the behavior of LLMs by look at their code and the data the code operates upon. There is no mystery anywhere...
- hardbass 5d ago
  And why do you think we can't do the same for brains?
  - lolakutty 5d ago
    Because we didn't build the brain..
    - hardbass 5d ago
      We didn't build most things in nature. We didn't build hills for example, but we can pile earth and make a hill. Why are brains special? Again, no progress is possible unless you define what consciousness is in your view. I shall have to halt any conversation otherwise.
      - lolakutty 5d ago
        >Why are brains special? They are not special. You can pile brains too, if that is your thing.. > I shall have to halt any conversation otherwise. Hey, it is easy. Just don't press the reply button...
- hardbass 5d ago
  You said you know everything about it. Then you should not have written bugs in the first place. How are you sure a system we wrote didn't emerge consciousness, if you can't even prove a system you wrote doesn't have classic logic bugs?
  - lolakutty 5d ago
    >You said you know everything about it. Yes, we know everything we put there. But we cannot consider all the possible inputs and all the possible state that the code should handle. Bugs come from that limitation. > How are you sure a system we wrote didn't emerge consciousness, Sure, as I said elsewhere, rocks could be conscious for all we know. Keep believing that if it makes you feel good.