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Agree. I took a look at these last few months, did a write-up: https://languageops.com/blog/ai-safety-pdoom-local-vs-frontier/ https://languageops.com/blog/ai-s

by luxpir 12d ago

Agree. I took a look at these last few months, did a write-up: https://languageops.com/blog/ai-safety-pdoom-local-vs-frontier/ https://languageops.com/blog/ai-safety-pdoom-local-vs-fronti... and I don't know if I agree or not on outlawing completely, but I think an age restriction *at least* like for alcohol, firearms and driving would be not unwise.

mitxela 12d ago
The hardware requirements are already quite restrictive
- redoxate 12d ago
  Oh no, some run on iPhones
  - api 12d ago
    They're pretty basic and hallucinate a lot. There are some hard limits to how good you can get on a model that fits on a phone. Qwen3 and Gemma level models that run on mid-high end laptops and desktops can be pretty good. Not frontier grade, but shockingly competent for something that runs on a single PC. But the hardware you need to run those fast is at least $1000-$2000. Cheap hardware can run them, but slooooooow.
    - imhoguy 12d ago
      You can still lease GPU farm in many "easy" countries.
    - ourcat 12d ago
      And then you've got the local "Wan2GP" setups "for the GPU-Poor". Also tried the "Locally Uncensored" setup on a 3060 laptop, which worked surprisingly well.
- luxpir 12d ago
  For now. One more ternary model type breakthrough, or MoE, engram thing (I don't fully understand those for the record, I just know they speed things up and use less VRAM) could see a few GB sized weights with quite the capabilities. On a gaming PC, savvy teens can already use them to cook up quite an interesting array of likely illegal items and substances. If it goes much further and runs on phones, you can assume word will get around that unlimited private AI is available and kids will run into all sorts of issues. Or mentally unwell people. I'm thinking a year or two down the line only.
bilsbie 12d ago
Make sure they ban books with dangerous knowledge too.
- simmerup 12d ago
  Books with dangerous knowledge are banned. See, the various banned porn varieties for an easy example
  - RIMR 12d ago
    There are only three banned porn varieties I know of (depending on jurisdiction), which are child porn, bestiality porn, and nonconsensual/revenge porn. And calling those things "books" is just nonsense. You know what we are talking about when we say "books", and it isn't that.
    - simmerup 12d ago
      Unguarded LLMs create knowledge just like that, im not sure why you would consider it nonsense. There's a reason people hated Grok for sexualising children

by luxpir 12d ago

mitxela 12d ago

The hardware requirements are already quite restrictive

redoxate 12d ago
Oh no, some run on iPhones
- api 12d ago
  They're pretty basic and hallucinate a lot. There are some hard limits to how good you can get on a model that fits on a phone. Qwen3 and Gemma level models that run on mid-high end laptops and desktops can be pretty good. Not frontier grade, but shockingly competent for something that runs on a single PC. But the hardware you need to run those fast is at least $1000-$2000. Cheap hardware can run them, but slooooooow.
  - imhoguy 12d ago
    You can still lease GPU farm in many "easy" countries.
  - ourcat 12d ago
    And then you've got the local "Wan2GP" setups "for the GPU-Poor". Also tried the "Locally Uncensored" setup on a 3060 laptop, which worked surprisingly well.
luxpir 12d ago
For now. One more ternary model type breakthrough, or MoE, engram thing (I don't fully understand those for the record, I just know they speed things up and use less VRAM) could see a few GB sized weights with quite the capabilities. On a gaming PC, savvy teens can already use them to cook up quite an interesting array of likely illegal items and substances. If it goes much further and runs on phones, you can assume word will get around that unlimited private AI is available and kids will run into all sorts of issues. Or mentally unwell people. I'm thinking a year or two down the line only.

bilsbie 12d ago

Make sure they ban books with dangerous knowledge too.

simmerup 12d ago
Books with dangerous knowledge are banned. See, the various banned porn varieties for an easy example
- RIMR 12d ago
  There are only three banned porn varieties I know of (depending on jurisdiction), which are child porn, bestiality porn, and nonconsensual/revenge porn. And calling those things "books" is just nonsense. You know what we are talking about when we say "books", and it isn't that.
  - simmerup 12d ago
    Unguarded LLMs create knowledge just like that, im not sure why you would consider it nonsense. There's a reason people hated Grok for sexualising children