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In free markets, everyone steals everything they can, and stops everyone else stealing from them as much as they can. This is normal and expected. The ideology

by mitxela 2mo ago

In free markets, everyone steals everything they can, and stops everyone else stealing from them as much as they can. This is normal and expected. The ideology says that it will even out and converge to a fair situation.

lazide 2mo ago
It’s the same in communism/socialism except people are prevented from stopping everyone else from stealing their stuff, in the name of the ‘greater good’, and if they try to get more than everyone else get guilt tripped into giving it up under the ‘to everyone what they need, from everyone what they can’. Which incentivizes pretending you need a ton, and can give nothing. You think being useful at work in Capitalism is bad? Wait until you are accidentally useful in a communist/socialist economy. There is usually less pretending under capitalism, but people are people, so it all the same stories still play out. People are shitty, if given the chance and influenced in specific ways. Capitalism or not. We’re dealing with the current bullshit in the west because somehow people bought the line that everyone is a good person - and we totally can’t actually see or do anything if we see someone doing something bad! - and we need to always follow ‘the rules’ even when someone bad clearly isn’t. Until we find our balls, good luck.
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philipallstar 2mo ago
> In free markets, everyone steals everything they can, and stops everyone else stealing from them as much as they can. This is normal and expected. The ideology says that it will even out and converge to a fair situation. This is all nonsense. Capitalism isn't an ideology, it's just a slight formalisation of what naturally arises. People are free to choose; they can own things; they can make agreements; they must honour the agreements or pay a penalty. Capitalism in no way is about stealing.
- andrekandre 2mo ago
  > Capitalism isn't an ideology your confusing trading/markets with capitalism; they aren’t the same thing, and it definitely has ideology(ies) https://www.britannica.com/money/capitalism https://www.britannica.com/money/capitalism
hobo123 2mo ago
And by stealing you mean exchange? Or I somehow misunderstood what you consider a market to be - a place for pickpockets?
- theeyescanner 2mo ago
  Our LLMs were trained on the widespread theft of copyright content, with clearly defined and well tested law. But they made capitalists too much money so it became defacto legal. Next you'll be telling me fairy tales like "laws are real".

by mitxela 2mo ago

lazide 2mo ago

It’s the same in communism/socialism except people are prevented from stopping everyone else from stealing their stuff, in the name of the ‘greater good’, and if they try to get more than everyone else get guilt tripped into giving it up under the ‘to everyone what they need, from everyone what they can’. Which incentivizes pretending you need a ton, and can give nothing. You think being useful at work in Capitalism is bad? Wait until you are accidentally useful in a communist/socialist economy. There is usually less pretending under capitalism, but people are people, so it all the same stories still play out. People are shitty, if given the chance and influenced in specific ways. Capitalism or not. We’re dealing with the current bullshit in the west because somehow people bought the line that everyone is a good person - and we totally can’t actually see or do anything if we see someone doing something bad! - and we need to always follow ‘the rules’ even when someone bad clearly isn’t. Until we find our balls, good luck.

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philipallstar 2mo ago

> In free markets, everyone steals everything they can, and stops everyone else stealing from them as much as they can. This is normal and expected. The ideology says that it will even out and converge to a fair situation. This is all nonsense. Capitalism isn't an ideology, it's just a slight formalisation of what naturally arises. People are free to choose; they can own things; they can make agreements; they must honour the agreements or pay a penalty. Capitalism in no way is about stealing.

andrekandre 2mo ago
> Capitalism isn't an ideology your confusing trading/markets with capitalism; they aren’t the same thing, and it definitely has ideology(ies) https://www.britannica.com/money/capitalism https://www.britannica.com/money/capitalism

hobo123 2mo ago

And by stealing you mean exchange? Or I somehow misunderstood what you consider a market to be - a place for pickpockets?

theeyescanner 2mo ago
Our LLMs were trained on the widespread theft of copyright content, with clearly defined and well tested law. But they made capitalists too much money so it became defacto legal. Next you'll be telling me fairy tales like "laws are real".