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> The outcome is that very little serious technology or influential companies come out of Europe. And salaries for things like engineer are about a third of tha

> The outcome is that very little serious technology or influential companies come out of Europe. And salaries for things like engineer are about a third of that in the US. So your argument is abusive practices are required for the creation of influential companies, serious technology, and high paying salaries?

bko 6d ago
No but overly burdensome regulatory bodies that are concerned about such things like how the top of my bottle cap functions and how low i set my ac temp leads to an incredibly hostile business environment and stagnant culture. But like I said, nice place to visit for the time being.
- imawakegnxoxo 6d ago
  Beats companies and governments being openly hostile towards the people You know, the thing that actually makes a country/society Putting the needs of business over the needs of the people those businesses are actually supposed to serve is how you end up with America
- sailingparrot 6d ago
  > nice place to visit for the time being. Yes, because it’s a place where culture matters and where trying to change everything as fast as possible for unknown reason and handing out unlimited power to corps to e.g. level half the country to build DCs is not seen as a good outcome. The specific mindset you complain about is what makes those place nice.
  - bko 6d ago
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- mitxela 6d ago
  You don't think all industrial countries have stuff like that? Do you really think the European economy is stifled by bottle caps being attached to their bottles by default? Even if it bothers you, it's a really weak attachment, you can just pull it off.
- c-hendricks 6d ago
  > overly burdensome regulatory bodies that are concerned about such things like ... how low i set my ac temp leads to an incredibly hostile business environment and stagnant culture Like the US of A? Also various stars have introduced more bottle cap regulations. One such state is a hotbed for inflated software developer salaries.
- blauditore 6d ago
  The obsession with ACs in some places (or rather people I guess) is something I will never sympathize with. Just wear reasonable clothes for the weather, no need to cool down below 20° C. And yes, I'm going to die on that hill.
  - DavidSJ 6d ago
    Sometimes the temperature is much higher than 20° C, and it is very hard to be comfortable or do productive work.
    - the_gipsy 6d ago
      I never set my AC to lower than 25°C. Why would you need below 20°C? Is it something about having only a single unit for the hole house/office, where it's then uncomfortably freezing in one area, just to have a normal temperature in the distant areas? Crazy.
      - antonkochubey 6d ago
        > Why would you need below 20°C? For example because I literally can’t sleep well above 20°C.
    - blauditore 6d ago
      That's true, although having 19° inside when it's 30° outside is bad for several reasons. My office (in Europe) gets cooled down in summer to like 23°, and that's already inconvenient when wearing appropriate summer clothes. And no one is expected to wear formal clothing.
  - LoganDark 6d ago
    Not everyone can tolerate 20C, you know. I know people who freeze at anything below like 25C, but I myself have trouble not sweating my ass off above like 18C. I don't wear additional clothes in winter (though maybe that's simply because winter here hasn't actually reached below freezing in years).
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- croes 6d ago
  > overly burdensome regulatory bodies that are concerned about such things like how the top of my bottle cap functions Better than a government that fears the word gay > and how low i set my ac temp leads to an incredibly hostile business environment and stagnant culture. You are quite a cherrypicker, aren’t you? How about the regulation to have USB-C as a standard or replaceable batteries. Or one of my favorites, the ban of ingredients that cause cancer. BTW ever heard of Frauenhofer IIS or ASML?
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throw10920 6d ago
> So your argument is abusive practices are required for the creation of influential companies, serious technology, and high paying salaries? They never said anything remotely like that in their comment. Please engage in good faith, don't lie and pretend that others said things they didn't, and don't break the guidelines.

bko 6d ago

No but overly burdensome regulatory bodies that are concerned about such things like how the top of my bottle cap functions and how low i set my ac temp leads to an incredibly hostile business environment and stagnant culture. But like I said, nice place to visit for the time being.

imawakegnxoxo 6d ago
Beats companies and governments being openly hostile towards the people You know, the thing that actually makes a country/society Putting the needs of business over the needs of the people those businesses are actually supposed to serve is how you end up with America
sailingparrot 6d ago
> nice place to visit for the time being. Yes, because it’s a place where culture matters and where trying to change everything as fast as possible for unknown reason and handing out unlimited power to corps to e.g. level half the country to build DCs is not seen as a good outcome. The specific mindset you complain about is what makes those place nice.
- bko 6d ago
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mitxela 6d ago
You don't think all industrial countries have stuff like that? Do you really think the European economy is stifled by bottle caps being attached to their bottles by default? Even if it bothers you, it's a really weak attachment, you can just pull it off.
c-hendricks 6d ago
> overly burdensome regulatory bodies that are concerned about such things like ... how low i set my ac temp leads to an incredibly hostile business environment and stagnant culture Like the US of A? Also various stars have introduced more bottle cap regulations. One such state is a hotbed for inflated software developer salaries.
blauditore 6d ago
The obsession with ACs in some places (or rather people I guess) is something I will never sympathize with. Just wear reasonable clothes for the weather, no need to cool down below 20° C. And yes, I'm going to die on that hill.
- DavidSJ 6d ago
  Sometimes the temperature is much higher than 20° C, and it is very hard to be comfortable or do productive work.
  - the_gipsy 6d ago
    I never set my AC to lower than 25°C. Why would you need below 20°C? Is it something about having only a single unit for the hole house/office, where it's then uncomfortably freezing in one area, just to have a normal temperature in the distant areas? Crazy.
    - antonkochubey 6d ago
      > Why would you need below 20°C? For example because I literally can’t sleep well above 20°C.
  - blauditore 6d ago
    That's true, although having 19° inside when it's 30° outside is bad for several reasons. My office (in Europe) gets cooled down in summer to like 23°, and that's already inconvenient when wearing appropriate summer clothes. And no one is expected to wear formal clothing.
- LoganDark 6d ago
  Not everyone can tolerate 20C, you know. I know people who freeze at anything below like 25C, but I myself have trouble not sweating my ass off above like 18C. I don't wear additional clothes in winter (though maybe that's simply because winter here hasn't actually reached below freezing in years).
- bko 6d ago
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croes 6d ago
> overly burdensome regulatory bodies that are concerned about such things like how the top of my bottle cap functions Better than a government that fears the word gay > and how low i set my ac temp leads to an incredibly hostile business environment and stagnant culture. You are quite a cherrypicker, aren’t you? How about the regulation to have USB-C as a standard or replaceable batteries. Or one of my favorites, the ban of ingredients that cause cancer. BTW ever heard of Frauenhofer IIS or ASML?
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throw10920 6d ago

> So your argument is abusive practices are required for the creation of influential companies, serious technology, and high paying salaries? They never said anything remotely like that in their comment. Please engage in good faith, don't lie and pretend that others said things they didn't, and don't break the guidelines.