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At least we know this wasn't written by an LLM (unless it was GPT-2). The best advice I can give on moving your career forward is to not try and get a promotio

by slowin 11d ago

At least we know this wasn't written by an LLM (unless it was GPT-2). The best advice I can give on moving your career forward is to not try and get a promotion at your current job. Apply for better positions at other companies while you still have your current role. You'll have maximum leverage and unlimited time to choose the best possible option. Trying to claw your way up the ladder in a single company is the least efficient (and more often than not hopeless) strategy.

gonzalohm 11d ago
I don't agree with that advice. Interviewing sucks. I know, if you currently have a job then you don't lose anything. Other than precious time and I already feel like I don't have enough free time, I don't want to invest the remaining interviewing. I have been in a few companies and yes, sometimes getting a promotion is literally impossible. I remember one company that didn't give me a promotion until I threatened to leave. But if you find the right company, then you shouldn't even need to ask for a promotion. And lastly, I would hope you are working for a company that you care about. That makes it more complicated to find a replacement
- slowin 11d ago
  I think you need to be strategic. Leverage your network, don't just go in cold. Smaller startups are also much easier to get a job at than a FAANG. > And lastly, I would hope you are working for a company that you care about. That makes it more complicated to find a replacement This I absolutely agree with. I quit my last job for ethical reasons and indeed, the same problem I faced is so pervasive in our industry that it limits the pool of places I'd work. That being said, I think the advice holds. Jumping around is a much easier way to move your career forward than staying at a single place.
b112 11d ago
It was written by the bro (LLM) app.
christophilus 11d ago
“Your job isn’t your job. Your job is to find your next career step.” Paraphrasing from memory from Scott Adams’ “How to fail at almost everything and still win big.” I haven’t followed that advice, because I quite like my jobs, and getting deep into a problem space is one of life’s pleasures. But, I do think it’s sound advice all the same.
JeremyNT 11d ago
This used to be true during the zero interest rate days when you could leapfrog up the chain but I think the times have changed. By all means keep your eyes open outside of your org, but it's increasingly hard to even get a resume seen by a human on the other side of the hiring process. If you have a good reputation on your current team, that places you above external candidates as you look to move up in your organization. Don't ignore that.
ennepoai 10d ago
its both. i hopped mostly because i got to see how other places build things, different stack, different ideas about how to run a project, and you just dont get that staying at one company even a good one. internal promo really depends where you are. small startup, sure its easy to get promoted but youre basically doing the same job with a fancier title. big co you can move around and actually learn stuff but then you have to deal with the politics
xdertz 10d ago
The 'job hopping advice' is always so one-dimensonal as if salary maxing is the only metric that counts. You should always take everything into account - work climate and coworkers - work life balance - legal rewards for staying (This might not apply to the US but in most of Europe you get progressively harder to fire the longer you stay at one company)
- jghn 10d ago
  This. I hate interviewing. I hate having to "learn" new people and corporate processes. I like being able to rely on intuition I've built up over time, both about my colleagues and the products. Bouncing from place to place could have earned me more money over time, but I valued the stability of sticking around for longer stints.
- KptMarchewa 10d ago
  It is still good advice at early to mid stages of career. You can get into senior level much faster, and potentially learn much more, since you're less pigeonholed into current role, and you see more of how other organizations work.

by slowin 11d ago

gonzalohm 11d ago

I don't agree with that advice. Interviewing sucks. I know, if you currently have a job then you don't lose anything. Other than precious time and I already feel like I don't have enough free time, I don't want to invest the remaining interviewing. I have been in a few companies and yes, sometimes getting a promotion is literally impossible. I remember one company that didn't give me a promotion until I threatened to leave. But if you find the right company, then you shouldn't even need to ask for a promotion. And lastly, I would hope you are working for a company that you care about. That makes it more complicated to find a replacement

slowin 11d ago
I think you need to be strategic. Leverage your network, don't just go in cold. Smaller startups are also much easier to get a job at than a FAANG. > And lastly, I would hope you are working for a company that you care about. That makes it more complicated to find a replacement This I absolutely agree with. I quit my last job for ethical reasons and indeed, the same problem I faced is so pervasive in our industry that it limits the pool of places I'd work. That being said, I think the advice holds. Jumping around is a much easier way to move your career forward than staying at a single place.

b112 11d ago

It was written by the bro (LLM) app.

christophilus 11d ago

“Your job isn’t your job. Your job is to find your next career step.” Paraphrasing from memory from Scott Adams’ “How to fail at almost everything and still win big.” I haven’t followed that advice, because I quite like my jobs, and getting deep into a problem space is one of life’s pleasures. But, I do think it’s sound advice all the same.

JeremyNT 11d ago

This used to be true during the zero interest rate days when you could leapfrog up the chain but I think the times have changed. By all means keep your eyes open outside of your org, but it's increasingly hard to even get a resume seen by a human on the other side of the hiring process. If you have a good reputation on your current team, that places you above external candidates as you look to move up in your organization. Don't ignore that.

ennepoai 10d ago

its both. i hopped mostly because i got to see how other places build things, different stack, different ideas about how to run a project, and you just dont get that staying at one company even a good one. internal promo really depends where you are. small startup, sure its easy to get promoted but youre basically doing the same job with a fancier title. big co you can move around and actually learn stuff but then you have to deal with the politics

xdertz 10d ago

The 'job hopping advice' is always so one-dimensonal as if salary maxing is the only metric that counts. You should always take everything into account - work climate and coworkers - work life balance - legal rewards for staying (This might not apply to the US but in most of Europe you get progressively harder to fire the longer you stay at one company)

jghn 10d ago
This. I hate interviewing. I hate having to "learn" new people and corporate processes. I like being able to rely on intuition I've built up over time, both about my colleagues and the products. Bouncing from place to place could have earned me more money over time, but I valued the stability of sticking around for longer stints.
KptMarchewa 10d ago
It is still good advice at early to mid stages of career. You can get into senior level much faster, and potentially learn much more, since you're less pigeonholed into current role, and you see more of how other organizations work.