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If they're no longer using that model they may not be willing to continue using their storage for it.

by cube00 6d ago

csomar 6d ago
How does this address the previous point? If they are not providing storage, then centralized or decentralized doesn’t make a difference. Torrent/P2P can only add redundancy, so it’s impossible to have worse availability than a download link?
- _blk 6d ago
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  - pell 6d ago
    > Is there a fully in-browser torrent option that has the same UX as a regular file download in Firefox? Opera did back in the day.
  - Wowfunhappy 6d ago
    Well, for a torrent to stay healthy, users have to seed after download, so it can't possibly have the same UX as a standard browser file download unless you want to either kill the ecosystem or hide from the user what is consuming upload bandwidth. That said, for large files, I much prefer the UX of a well-designed torrent client like Transmission to my web browser. If nothing else, the downloads are reliably resumable.
    - QuantumNomad_ 6d ago
      > I much prefer the UX of a well-designed torrent client like Transmission to my web browser. If nothing else, the downloads are reliably resumable. Brave browser had BitTorrent client built in for a while. I tried it a couple of times as I already use Brave for web browsing on my laptop. It was a very confusing BitTorrent client. I struggled to use it, and wasted time waiting for a download to complete only to not be able to find where the files were and then they disappeared. Using a decent BitTorrent client like you say is much preferable to the one that they had in Brave browser.
vlyan 6d ago
yes, but a few dedicated hoarders could keep many models alive, and I'm fairly certain the local LLM community has plenty of people who would.
- mitxela 6d ago
  They don't. That's the conversation topic. Nor do they need to. 99% of everything is crap, and not worth prescribing except for a random sample so future historians can study our crap.

If they're no longer using that model they may not be willing to continue using their storage for it.

by cube00 6d ago

If they're no longer using that model they may not be willing to continue using their storage for it.

How does this address the previous point? If they are not providing storage, then centralized or decentralized doesn’t make a difference. Torrent/P2P can only add redundancy, so it’s impossible to have worse availability than a download link?

_blk 6d ago
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- pell 6d ago
  > Is there a fully in-browser torrent option that has the same UX as a regular file download in Firefox? Opera did back in the day.
- Wowfunhappy 6d ago
  Well, for a torrent to stay healthy, users have to seed after download, so it can't possibly have the same UX as a standard browser file download unless you want to either kill the ecosystem or hide from the user what is consuming upload bandwidth. That said, for large files, I much prefer the UX of a well-designed torrent client like Transmission to my web browser. If nothing else, the downloads are reliably resumable.
  - QuantumNomad_ 6d ago
    > I much prefer the UX of a well-designed torrent client like Transmission to my web browser. If nothing else, the downloads are reliably resumable. Brave browser had BitTorrent client built in for a while. I tried it a couple of times as I already use Brave for web browsing on my laptop. It was a very confusing BitTorrent client. I struggled to use it, and wasted time waiting for a download to complete only to not be able to find where the files were and then they disappeared. Using a decent BitTorrent client like you say is much preferable to the one that they had in Brave browser.

vlyan 6d ago

yes, but a few dedicated hoarders could keep many models alive, and I'm fairly certain the local LLM community has plenty of people who would.

mitxela 6d ago
They don't. That's the conversation topic. Nor do they need to. 99% of everything is crap, and not worth prescribing except for a random sample so future historians can study our crap.