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Building up strawmen against LLMs will only make the hypers look more reasonable. A language model responds to inouts exactly as a model of anything else would.
by vhantz 14d ago
Building up strawmen against LLMs will only make the hypers look more reasonable. A language model responds to inouts exactly as a model of anything else would. That is enough to explain all the "intelligence" without believing a model is somehow a "new kind of mind". Those who think LLMs are intelligent don't know enough about models. And those who think they are useless don't know enough about models.
- 10xDev 14d agoSo once we have online learning in LLMs, what do you think you will have that makes you intelligent but not LLMs? Better learning efficiency? That will be improved as well. I think we need to start moving on from the term LLMs because it clearly confuses people since they started modelling more than just language.
- vhantz 14d agoWhat else are they modeling?
- 10xDev 14d agoYou realise tokens are just data and data can represent anything.
- vhantz 14d agoStill, large language models model language.
- red75prime 13d agoAlmost all of the latest models are MLLMs (multimodal large language models). For exmaple, [1] evaluates GPT-6 Astra on vision tasks. [1] https://blog.roboflow.com/gpt-6-astra-vision/ https://blog.roboflow.com/gpt-6-astra-vision/
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- daishi55 14d agoI think LLMs are intelligent. What don’t I understand about them that would make me change my mind? Keeping in mind that for me “intelligence” is the ability to solve complicated, intellectually demanding problems, and to understand novel concepts.
- pixl97 14d agoAnyone that thinks that they know anything about intelligent needs to realize they don't know shit about intelligence. Ever since people started talking LLMs possibly being AGI I realized I didn't know what the intelligence part really meant at a more fundamental level. This lead me to realize almost anyone when anyone says intelligence on the internet they really mean "Intelligence is like porn, I'll know it when I see it". Anyone who thinks LLMs are intelligent is either dumber than you, or has way more knowledge on the subject than you. Michael Levin has a good body of work on biological intelligent at small scales that can really change one's views on this.
- vhantz 14d agoTo all commenters who think LLMs are intelligent and comparable to themselves, you don't need me to change your mind. I believe you.
- daishi55 14d agoSorry but are you trying to subtly imply that if I think LLMs are intelligent, I’m probably actually just a bit stupid? Because I would be more than happy to go head to head with you on academic and professional pedigree and credentials. I notice you also ignore my comment that you seem to be replying to and instead post your response here. But did you have any answer to the question I asked? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49776482 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49776482
- slopinthebag 14d agowould this imply llms aren't intelligent because they have no academic or professional pedigree or credentials? :P
- daishi55 14d agoOh no I meant to compare myself to the person I am talking to, because I believe my credentials and pedigree ought to convince them that I am a pretty smart guy and so the argument “if you think LLMs are intelligent then you’re dumb” doesn’t ring true for me.
- mrguyorama 13d agoYour credentials and pedigree seem to be "Self taught @ Meta"
- vhantz 14d agoYou don't need to prove to me that your intelligence is comparable to LLMs. I believe you.
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