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https://archive.is/2YdN9 https://archive.is/2YdN9

by peri-cl 6d ago

Jare 6d ago
"502 Bad Gateway" (I'm in Spain)
- embedding-shape 6d ago
  Works fine for me, also Spain, Vodafone as the ISP. Edit: eeh, that's a different site than the one mentioned by the submission, why it wouldn't work? Edit2: Also, the error is wrong and server-side. If your ISP is trying to block the website, you'll get either a tls error that the certificate isn't matching, or for non-https sites you get redirected to the scary "You're contributing to something illegal blah blah".
  - jachee 6d ago
    There’s a whole network of “archive.<something>” sites under the “archive.today” umbrella. I’ve seen .is .ps .md .ph and .at, at least.
- Imustaskforhelp 6d ago
  > "502 Bad Gateway" (I'm in Spain) Here you go, this should work: https://web.archive.org/web/20260920074416/https://serjaimelannister.github.io/htmlpipe/?https://ppng.io/2YdN9_3 https://web.archive.org/web/20260920074416/https://serjaimel... (an archive.org page which archives an archive.is page, might take some time to load though) (this uses htmlpipe, something I have made :-D)
- yuppiepuppie 5d ago
  Same - 502 with Movistar
beezlewax 5d ago
This link currently works in spain
Lio 6d ago
This is so funny. An article about internet censorship of an archive site that requires an archive site to read! That’s Brilliant! :D
- deleted 6d ago
  [deleted]
- tyrabound 6d ago
  I find it far more ironic that they are called Reclaim the Internet. I am dating myself, but I remember the Internet. It’s rather ironic too that the actual Internet, literal and figuratively free internet, was always doomed from the start, just like AI is effectively doomed in terms of it being some kind of productivity tool or amazing thing you can use to build your own thing, because the logical conclusion is very bad for most people, including the technorati types here that think themselves above it and immune. If you’re shocked and surprised by the way there Internet was maneuvered into the surveillance prison Flock made itself the poster child of at the hands of Mr Langley, take that trajectory and lay it over AI, but only at exponential rates. You don’t have to believe me, it won’t matter either way, it’s happening, short of the Soviet style implosion of the “American” empire. Maybe once the planet has been made uninhabitable to biological life there will be an AI robot cybernetic splinter group trying to “reclaim humanity”.
  - deleted 6d ago
    [deleted]
  - altmanaltman 6d ago
    How would a soviet style implosion of the US work in real life? A civil war is far more likely and we already have historical precedence for that. And your AI robot cybernetic splinter group thing sounds a lot like the biblical story of Noah than anything that's based on science or you know facts.
    - DANmode 6d ago
      Chaotic coincidences, because the empire is too large to control all of its interests. Could have been avoided - too much money to be made in the various stages of it not being avoided.
calgoo 6d ago
This is working fine for me in spain so far....
cluckindan 6d ago
”archive dot is” is a part of the same DDoS network of sites. Don’t use them!
- sapphicsnail 6d ago
  Feel free to link the whole article through a different site
  - latexr 6d ago
    https://unwall.app/reclaimthenet.org/spain-blocks-archive-today-and-mirrors https://unwall.app/reclaimthenet.org/spain-blocks-archive-to...
    - KellyCriterion 5d ago
      Unwall app is cool bot by far as not reliable as Arhicve.ph/.today, as I have seen over the last weeks
- dudisubekti 6d ago
  https://web.archive.org/web/20260920061809/https://reclaimthenet.org/spain-blocks-archive-today-and-mirrors https://web.archive.org/web/20260920061809/https://reclaimth... Vs https://archive.is/2YdN9 https://archive.is/2YdN9 One has paywall, one doesn't... Sorry man, people will keep DDoSing some random guy's blog. It's a service problem lol
  - RobotToaster 6d ago
    The funny thing is the blog is hosted on wordpress.com, so it's tantamount to trying to ddos Google.
    - dudisubekti 6d ago
      Yeah, the archive guy should just leave the blog alone instead of triggering Streissand effect lol
alkyon 6d ago
I live in Spain and can still enjoy access to this site. This is enforced by major ISPs (Vodafone among others), so anyone sane just opts for a local ISP (if they have a choice)
- apexalpha 6d ago
  How is it enforced? IP or DNS?
  - alkyon 6d ago
    According to this site https://bandaancha.eu/articulos/gobierno-tiene-lista-web-oficial-11138 https://bandaancha.eu/articulos/gobierno-tiene-lista-web-ofi..., they use SNI (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Name_Indication https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Name_Indication)
    - alkyon 6d ago
      Enabling ESNI in Firefox should be a countermeasure (encrypted SNI extension of the TLS so that hostname is no longer sent in plain text) https://superuser.com/questions/1346634/modern-browser-with-a-feature-to-disable-sni https://superuser.com/questions/1346634/modern-browser-with-...
      - deleted 6d ago
        [deleted]
      - mitxela 6d ago
        It's not magic. archive.is has no HTTPS record, so ESNI cannot be used.
      - 1vuio0pswjnm7 6d ago
        That superuser thread from 2018 (it's ECH now not ESNI) isn't much help Although I do like the comment at the bottom that states the problem as disabling SNI not encrypting it. Encrypting SNI/ClientHello is over complicated, which is why ESNI was flawed and (allegedly) why Cloudflare disabled it. The solution to the plaintext SNI problem is to not send SNI (I don't send it unless necessary) There is an alternative non-TLS method of encrypting traffic, per packet, that allows hosting multiple websites on the same IP. I use it in the homelab. It proves that TLS and SNI is not the only way There's also a popular archive of www content that does not require SNI. It's older and larger than Cloudflare The problem with software like Firefox is that it automatically sends SNI to every website no matter if SNI is required or not. The superuser thread mentions a Firefox add-on that no longer works. If Firefox is open source then why not just edit the code and recompile Clearly, Mozilla is not going to provide a solution. It would rather add support for ESNI and then ECH as opposed to giving users an option to diable sending SNI Mozilla is pro-surveillance advertising, Cloudflare is pro-surveillance advertising Fortunately, not every HTTPS website is hosted on a shared IP, not every HTTPS website requires SNI. And popular web browsers derived from Mozilla and Google are not the only user agents A couple of ways to not send SNI 1. Use an SSL client, e.g., openssl s_client, bssl client, etc. 2. Use a local forward proxy, e.g., stunnel, haproxy, etc. Even if Cloudflare enables ECH across all the websites it controls, and we have been waiting for years, there is still the issue of SSL termination by Cloudflare. For many of those sites, all the TLS traffic, not just the SNI, is available as plaintext to Cloudflare and to whomever Cloudflare, a US corporation, may or must share it with
mitxela 6d ago
Since no court was involved, the accusation that the user is trying to access an illegal website is itself an illegal accusation.
rainelli 5d ago
This dude has blocked archive.is for the whole of Finland because he has a beef with a Finnish blogger. What a swell guy, but it's his project.
- Anonyneko 5d ago
  Ah, so that's why it never works for me.
  - RoryH 5d ago
    Most likely is that you are using Cloudflare DNS: https://jarv.is/notes/cloudflare-dns-archive-is-blocked https://jarv.is/notes/cloudflare-dns-archive-is-blocked
    - Anonyneko 5d ago
      I use the default one from my carrier, but I've previously tried Google and other DNS servers to no avail. For some reason the site doesn't even open for me through a VPN.
- eyya 5d ago
  example.com blocks Iran for nothing
  - trumpdong 5d ago
    It's a legal requirement, all US sites must block Iran due to sanctions.
    - eyya 5d ago
      HN does not
- remix2000 5d ago
  Not a "beef", but rather some petty blogger spun up a campaign to dox the owner of archive.today, who you can imagine has their reasons not to publish their identity.
rhaps0dy 5d ago
I was able to read this from Spain! A few days ago archive.ph/archive.is were blocked but now they're not somehow.

https://archive.is/2YdN9 https://archive.is/2YdN9

Jare 6d ago

"502 Bad Gateway" (I'm in Spain)

embedding-shape 6d ago
Works fine for me, also Spain, Vodafone as the ISP. Edit: eeh, that's a different site than the one mentioned by the submission, why it wouldn't work? Edit2: Also, the error is wrong and server-side. If your ISP is trying to block the website, you'll get either a tls error that the certificate isn't matching, or for non-https sites you get redirected to the scary "You're contributing to something illegal blah blah".
- jachee 6d ago
  There’s a whole network of “archive.<something>” sites under the “archive.today” umbrella. I’ve seen .is .ps .md .ph and .at, at least.
Imustaskforhelp 6d ago
> "502 Bad Gateway" (I'm in Spain) Here you go, this should work: https://web.archive.org/web/20260920074416/https://serjaimelannister.github.io/htmlpipe/?https://ppng.io/2YdN9_3 https://web.archive.org/web/20260920074416/https://serjaimel... (an archive.org page which archives an archive.is page, might take some time to load though) (this uses htmlpipe, something I have made :-D)
yuppiepuppie 5d ago
Same - 502 with Movistar

beezlewax 5d ago

This link currently works in spain

Lio 6d ago

This is so funny. An article about internet censorship of an archive site that requires an archive site to read! That’s Brilliant! :D

deleted 6d ago
[deleted]
tyrabound 6d ago
I find it far more ironic that they are called Reclaim the Internet. I am dating myself, but I remember the Internet. It’s rather ironic too that the actual Internet, literal and figuratively free internet, was always doomed from the start, just like AI is effectively doomed in terms of it being some kind of productivity tool or amazing thing you can use to build your own thing, because the logical conclusion is very bad for most people, including the technorati types here that think themselves above it and immune. If you’re shocked and surprised by the way there Internet was maneuvered into the surveillance prison Flock made itself the poster child of at the hands of Mr Langley, take that trajectory and lay it over AI, but only at exponential rates. You don’t have to believe me, it won’t matter either way, it’s happening, short of the Soviet style implosion of the “American” empire. Maybe once the planet has been made uninhabitable to biological life there will be an AI robot cybernetic splinter group trying to “reclaim humanity”.
- deleted 6d ago
  [deleted]
- altmanaltman 6d ago
  How would a soviet style implosion of the US work in real life? A civil war is far more likely and we already have historical precedence for that. And your AI robot cybernetic splinter group thing sounds a lot like the biblical story of Noah than anything that's based on science or you know facts.
  - DANmode 6d ago
    Chaotic coincidences, because the empire is too large to control all of its interests. Could have been avoided - too much money to be made in the various stages of it not being avoided.

calgoo 6d ago

This is working fine for me in spain so far....

cluckindan 6d ago

”archive dot is” is a part of the same DDoS network of sites. Don’t use them!

sapphicsnail 6d ago
Feel free to link the whole article through a different site
- latexr 6d ago
  https://unwall.app/reclaimthenet.org/spain-blocks-archive-today-and-mirrors https://unwall.app/reclaimthenet.org/spain-blocks-archive-to...
  - KellyCriterion 5d ago
    Unwall app is cool bot by far as not reliable as Arhicve.ph/.today, as I have seen over the last weeks
dudisubekti 6d ago
https://web.archive.org/web/20260920061809/https://reclaimthenet.org/spain-blocks-archive-today-and-mirrors https://web.archive.org/web/20260920061809/https://reclaimth... Vs https://archive.is/2YdN9 https://archive.is/2YdN9 One has paywall, one doesn't... Sorry man, people will keep DDoSing some random guy's blog. It's a service problem lol
- RobotToaster 6d ago
  The funny thing is the blog is hosted on wordpress.com, so it's tantamount to trying to ddos Google.
  - dudisubekti 6d ago
    Yeah, the archive guy should just leave the blog alone instead of triggering Streissand effect lol

alkyon 6d ago

I live in Spain and can still enjoy access to this site. This is enforced by major ISPs (Vodafone among others), so anyone sane just opts for a local ISP (if they have a choice)

apexalpha 6d ago
How is it enforced? IP or DNS?
- alkyon 6d ago
  According to this site https://bandaancha.eu/articulos/gobierno-tiene-lista-web-oficial-11138 https://bandaancha.eu/articulos/gobierno-tiene-lista-web-ofi..., they use SNI (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Name_Indication https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Name_Indication)
  - alkyon 6d ago
    Enabling ESNI in Firefox should be a countermeasure (encrypted SNI extension of the TLS so that hostname is no longer sent in plain text) https://superuser.com/questions/1346634/modern-browser-with-a-feature-to-disable-sni https://superuser.com/questions/1346634/modern-browser-with-...
    - deleted 6d ago
      [deleted]
    - mitxela 6d ago
      It's not magic. archive.is has no HTTPS record, so ESNI cannot be used.
    - 1vuio0pswjnm7 6d ago
      That superuser thread from 2018 (it's ECH now not ESNI) isn't much help Although I do like the comment at the bottom that states the problem as disabling SNI not encrypting it. Encrypting SNI/ClientHello is over complicated, which is why ESNI was flawed and (allegedly) why Cloudflare disabled it. The solution to the plaintext SNI problem is to not send SNI (I don't send it unless necessary) There is an alternative non-TLS method of encrypting traffic, per packet, that allows hosting multiple websites on the same IP. I use it in the homelab. It proves that TLS and SNI is not the only way There's also a popular archive of www content that does not require SNI. It's older and larger than Cloudflare The problem with software like Firefox is that it automatically sends SNI to every website no matter if SNI is required or not. The superuser thread mentions a Firefox add-on that no longer works. If Firefox is open source then why not just edit the code and recompile Clearly, Mozilla is not going to provide a solution. It would rather add support for ESNI and then ECH as opposed to giving users an option to diable sending SNI Mozilla is pro-surveillance advertising, Cloudflare is pro-surveillance advertising Fortunately, not every HTTPS website is hosted on a shared IP, not every HTTPS website requires SNI. And popular web browsers derived from Mozilla and Google are not the only user agents A couple of ways to not send SNI 1. Use an SSL client, e.g., openssl s_client, bssl client, etc. 2. Use a local forward proxy, e.g., stunnel, haproxy, etc. Even if Cloudflare enables ECH across all the websites it controls, and we have been waiting for years, there is still the issue of SSL termination by Cloudflare. For many of those sites, all the TLS traffic, not just the SNI, is available as plaintext to Cloudflare and to whomever Cloudflare, a US corporation, may or must share it with

mitxela 6d ago

Since no court was involved, the accusation that the user is trying to access an illegal website is itself an illegal accusation.

rainelli 5d ago

This dude has blocked archive.is for the whole of Finland because he has a beef with a Finnish blogger. What a swell guy, but it's his project.

Anonyneko 5d ago
Ah, so that's why it never works for me.
- RoryH 5d ago
  Most likely is that you are using Cloudflare DNS: https://jarv.is/notes/cloudflare-dns-archive-is-blocked https://jarv.is/notes/cloudflare-dns-archive-is-blocked
  - Anonyneko 5d ago
    I use the default one from my carrier, but I've previously tried Google and other DNS servers to no avail. For some reason the site doesn't even open for me through a VPN.
eyya 5d ago
example.com blocks Iran for nothing
- trumpdong 5d ago
  It's a legal requirement, all US sites must block Iran due to sanctions.
  - eyya 5d ago
    HN does not
remix2000 5d ago
Not a "beef", but rather some petty blogger spun up a campaign to dox the owner of archive.today, who you can imagine has their reasons not to publish their identity.

rhaps0dy 5d ago

I was able to read this from Spain! A few days ago archive.ph/archive.is were blocked but now they're not somehow.