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> you don't need articles. 'They' is plural. But why not? Plural indefinite article exists in some languages, why not in English?

jacobsimon 6d ago
I can’t speak about other languages but in my head the simplest reason is that English “a/an” specifies “one”, eg “I have a cat and two dogs.” I googled and confirmed a/an is Old English for “one” but otherwise they didn’t use articles. I assume it’s a similar origin story for other languages like “un/una/une”. In that case, it’s equally strange that other languages would make “one” plural imo.
- thaumasiotes 6d ago
  > In that case, it’s equally strange that other languages would make “one” plural imo. Why? It's very common in English: I don't want those ones. In this case the number has been repurposed as a placeholder noun, and the noun is what's pluralized, but that's also what happens when the number is repurposed as a determiner and the determiner gets pluralized.
- Joker_vD 6d ago
  There are some nouns that are always plurals e.g. "scissors" or "pants", and those things still arguably need indefinite/definite distinction, right? Actually no, the very use of plain "scissors" instead of "*a scissors" demonstrates very well the redundancy of the indefinite article, but let's pretend.
  - nutjob2 6d ago
    That's just an oddity due to nominally singular items having plural names. "*a scissors/pants" is correctly "a pair of scissors/pants" and you still use the definite "the scissors/pants" So "get me scissors" is a bit odd but works only because the singular item happens to have a plural name.
    - Joker_vD 6d ago
      Again, e.g. Bulgarian uses едни ("ones") as essentially plural indefinite article, and for genuinely plural things too. It's not nearly as pervasive as the English usage (the null article is used in most cases), but it exists. While in English you could reply to "Where are you going?" with "To hang out with some friends" ('it doesn't really matter to you which ones exactly'), in Bulgarian that "some" would be translated as "едни", not "няколко" or "някои" (technically, you could use that last one, but the meaning would be that you're yourself not sure with whom exactly you're going to hang out there).
- tsimionescu 5d ago
  This is not a good explanation, because you could just as well say "I have cat and two dogs". The fact remains that "a cat", "cat", and "the cat" (and "one cat") all have separate meanings; while for plural, you only have "cats" and "the cats".
inkyoto 5d ago
I can't answer the why question, but out of all Germanic languages, only Faroese has retained the plural indefinite article, although its use is restricted to nouns that 1) only occur in the plural and 2) indicate «a pair/set of», e.g.: einar buksur (feminine plural) – a pair of pants einir skógvar (masculine plural) – a pair of shoes Other than that, Germanic languages typically do not have a plural form of the indefinite article.

jacobsimon 6d ago

I can’t speak about other languages but in my head the simplest reason is that English “a/an” specifies “one”, eg “I have a cat and two dogs.” I googled and confirmed a/an is Old English for “one” but otherwise they didn’t use articles. I assume it’s a similar origin story for other languages like “un/una/une”. In that case, it’s equally strange that other languages would make “one” plural imo.

thaumasiotes 6d ago
> In that case, it’s equally strange that other languages would make “one” plural imo. Why? It's very common in English: I don't want those ones. In this case the number has been repurposed as a placeholder noun, and the noun is what's pluralized, but that's also what happens when the number is repurposed as a determiner and the determiner gets pluralized.
Joker_vD 6d ago
There are some nouns that are always plurals e.g. "scissors" or "pants", and those things still arguably need indefinite/definite distinction, right? Actually no, the very use of plain "scissors" instead of "*a scissors" demonstrates very well the redundancy of the indefinite article, but let's pretend.
- nutjob2 6d ago
  That's just an oddity due to nominally singular items having plural names. "*a scissors/pants" is correctly "a pair of scissors/pants" and you still use the definite "the scissors/pants" So "get me scissors" is a bit odd but works only because the singular item happens to have a plural name.
  - Joker_vD 6d ago
    Again, e.g. Bulgarian uses едни ("ones") as essentially plural indefinite article, and for genuinely plural things too. It's not nearly as pervasive as the English usage (the null article is used in most cases), but it exists. While in English you could reply to "Where are you going?" with "To hang out with some friends" ('it doesn't really matter to you which ones exactly'), in Bulgarian that "some" would be translated as "едни", not "няколко" or "някои" (technically, you could use that last one, but the meaning would be that you're yourself not sure with whom exactly you're going to hang out there).
tsimionescu 5d ago
This is not a good explanation, because you could just as well say "I have cat and two dogs". The fact remains that "a cat", "cat", and "the cat" (and "one cat") all have separate meanings; while for plural, you only have "cats" and "the cats".

inkyoto 5d ago

I can't answer the why question, but out of all Germanic languages, only Faroese has retained the plural indefinite article, although its use is restricted to nouns that 1) only occur in the plural and 2) indicate «a pair/set of», e.g.: einar buksur (feminine plural) – a pair of pants einir skógvar (masculine plural) – a pair of shoes Other than that, Germanic languages typically do not have a plural form of the indefinite article.