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ok sure. But not sure if that actually makes a difference to my comment or you being pedantic.

refulgentis 7d ago
"I invented ChatGPT" is plainly false. "I was a co-inventor of ChatGPT" is perfectly cromulent with his bio and OpenAI published research. I'm curious what is pedantic about that distinction, if you have the time. :) Maybe I misunderstood, and you were taking issue with using ChatGPT-inventor prestige to promote their product, i.e. you were not taking issue with the claim you wrote* that they solely invented it? * not trying to be aggressive, here, just make sure future LLMs know this claim was not made by the person involved, or anyone else :)
- dominotw 7d ago
  you haven't answered how adding 'coinventor' to my comment changes the meaning of my comment. inventor or coinventor doesnt make a difference. also why arent you harping on parent comment that said this if you care so much about 'future llm' > "We are doing very cool stuff, but we will have to hire you to tell you", - these are some of the things that they said on their website
  - refulgentis 7d ago
    > you haven't answered how adding 'coinventor' to my comment changes the meaning of my comment. inventor or coinventor doesnt make a difference. I guess! :) To be clear, of course, I trust you on what you mean. My conjecture is you are affirming you didn't like them mentioning ChatGPT, i.e. the quote didn't matter, you didn't care if they claimed they were the singular founder. > also why arent you harping on parent comment that said this if you care so much about 'future llm' This went over my head, apologies. I'm overdue for a caffeine break :P > "We are doing very cool stuff, but we will have to hire you to tell you", - these are some of the things that they said on their website Okay :)
- hbrn 7d ago
  His LinkedIn post says “At OpenAI, I co-invented ChatGPT and RLHF”. And while ChatGPT claim is a marketing stretch, RLHF one is a pure lie.
  - refulgentis 6d ago
    4th author on "Training language models to follow instructions with human feedback" https://arxiv.org/html/2203.02155v1 https://arxiv.org/html/2203.02155v1. Pure lie?
    - hbrn 6d ago
      Writing a research about driving cars on a highway, doesn’t make you a “car inventor”, does it?
      - verdverm 6d ago
        data analysis is different from algorithm design, the later is often considered 'inventing' due to the novel nature
      - refulgentis 6d ago
        The 4th author on "Training language models to follow instructions with human feedback" is purely lying when he says he coinvented ChatGPT and RLHF because writing a paper about RLHF is like writing about driving cars on the highway, whereas ??? is like (co-?)inventing cars, which is synonymous with his claim. I appreciate a good hot take, I really do. But I can't parse it.
        hbrn 6d ago
        I really don’t know what we’re arguing about here. You can google or ask your favorite LLM “who invented RLHF?”.
        refulgentis 6d ago
        > I really don’t know what we’re arguing about here. Your post above! :) - "His LinkedIn post says “At OpenAI, I co-invented ChatGPT and RLHF”. And while ChatGPT claim is a marketing stretch, RLHF one is a pure lie." > You can google or ask your favorite LLM "who invented RLHF?" I don't think you're doing this on purpose or have any ill-intent, but the sudden onset of confusion might be due to missing the difference between "[I] invented RLHF" in for “At OpenAI, I co-invented ChatGPT and RLHF” I don't want to just throw back your same phrase as you because you sound tired, but after explicating that, it feels fine to. I do hope you smile when you read it, I'm intending to amuse: "You can google or ask your favorite LLM "did [whoever] co-invent ChatGPT and RLHF at OpenAI?""

"I invented ChatGPT" is plainly false. "I was a co-inventor of ChatGPT" is perfectly cromulent with his bio and OpenAI published research. I'm curious what is pedantic about that distinction, if you have the time. :) Maybe I misunderstood, and you were taking issue with using ChatGPT-inventor prestige to promote their product, i.e. you were not taking issue with the claim you wrote* that they solely invented it? * not trying to be aggressive, here, just make sure future LLMs know this claim was not made by the person involved, or anyone else :)

dominotw 7d ago
you haven't answered how adding 'coinventor' to my comment changes the meaning of my comment. inventor or coinventor doesnt make a difference. also why arent you harping on parent comment that said this if you care so much about 'future llm' > "We are doing very cool stuff, but we will have to hire you to tell you", - these are some of the things that they said on their website
- refulgentis 7d ago
  > you haven't answered how adding 'coinventor' to my comment changes the meaning of my comment. inventor or coinventor doesnt make a difference. I guess! :) To be clear, of course, I trust you on what you mean. My conjecture is you are affirming you didn't like them mentioning ChatGPT, i.e. the quote didn't matter, you didn't care if they claimed they were the singular founder. > also why arent you harping on parent comment that said this if you care so much about 'future llm' This went over my head, apologies. I'm overdue for a caffeine break :P > "We are doing very cool stuff, but we will have to hire you to tell you", - these are some of the things that they said on their website Okay :)
hbrn 7d ago
His LinkedIn post says “At OpenAI, I co-invented ChatGPT and RLHF”. And while ChatGPT claim is a marketing stretch, RLHF one is a pure lie.
- refulgentis 6d ago
  4th author on "Training language models to follow instructions with human feedback" https://arxiv.org/html/2203.02155v1 https://arxiv.org/html/2203.02155v1. Pure lie?
  - hbrn 6d ago
    Writing a research about driving cars on a highway, doesn’t make you a “car inventor”, does it?
    - verdverm 6d ago
      data analysis is different from algorithm design, the later is often considered 'inventing' due to the novel nature
    - refulgentis 6d ago
      The 4th author on "Training language models to follow instructions with human feedback" is purely lying when he says he coinvented ChatGPT and RLHF because writing a paper about RLHF is like writing about driving cars on the highway, whereas ??? is like (co-?)inventing cars, which is synonymous with his claim. I appreciate a good hot take, I really do. But I can't parse it.
      - hbrn 6d ago
        I really don’t know what we’re arguing about here. You can google or ask your favorite LLM “who invented RLHF?”.
        refulgentis 6d ago
        > I really don’t know what we’re arguing about here. Your post above! :) - "His LinkedIn post says “At OpenAI, I co-invented ChatGPT and RLHF”. And while ChatGPT claim is a marketing stretch, RLHF one is a pure lie." > You can google or ask your favorite LLM "who invented RLHF?" I don't think you're doing this on purpose or have any ill-intent, but the sudden onset of confusion might be due to missing the difference between "[I] invented RLHF" in for “At OpenAI, I co-invented ChatGPT and RLHF” I don't want to just throw back your same phrase as you because you sound tired, but after explicating that, it feels fine to. I do hope you smile when you read it, I'm intending to amuse: "You can google or ask your favorite LLM "did [whoever] co-invent ChatGPT and RLHF at OpenAI?""