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> the maximum achievable throughput is 26 bps at 1.5 m and goes down to 22 bps at 4.5 m. And when there are more than one transmitters in real world conditions
by frumiousirc 7d ago
> the maximum achievable throughput is 26 bps at 1.5 m and goes down to 22 bps at 4.5 m.
And when there are more than one transmitters in real world conditions instead of anechoic chamber?
It's cool and all and if this work is for it's own sake, for the sake of research, no issues. But otherwise, I struggle to think of practical use cases. I grant that my imagination may be deficient.
- dist-epoch 7d ago> I struggle to think of practical use cases. I guess your not on Twitter. It's not a coincidence this research paper from 2022 got posted today.
- badatnames 7d agoWhat happened today ?
- Avicebron 7d agoI think someone from OpenAI said something like "air gapping AI can't (hypothetically) work because it will figure out a way to basically morse code across the airgap". (I think this was in response to people calling them out for not airgapping)
- TeMPOraL 7d ago> "air gapping AI can't (hypothetically) work because it will figure out a way to basically morse code across the airgap" All things well-known for good two decades and written about by x-risk/LessWrong crowd, but to date continued to be dismissed as lunacy. On one hand it's great to see it demonstrated in practice in concrete terms, on the other hand it's sad we have to basically make the mistakes ourselves, with live and close-to-dangerous systems, because we can't believe the obvious warnings.
- Avicebron 7d agoYou're likely not familiar with TEMPEST/EMSEC but this stuff was known about and discussed when designing air gaps going back to the 60s.. https://www.nsa.gov/portals/75/documents/news-features/declassified-documents/cryptologic-spectrum/tempest.pdf https://www.nsa.gov/portals/75/documents/news-features/decla... the x-risk/LessWrong crowd aren't adding anything to the conversation that seriously people haven't already considered.
- TeMPOraL 7d agoI didn't mean they first invented or described the methods, but that they've been consistently presenting a solid argument that these and other methods make airgapping and sandboxing AGI a dangerously flawed idea from the start. They are the serious people who considered this, and to date nobody listens.
- Avicebron 6d agoWell... they aren't the serious people... which is probably a good thing. You don't really want to know the serious people.
- demritocracy 7d agoWe need a Wildfire base like in the Andromeda Strain
- Muromec 6d agoLess wrong gives off a give of wanker doomsday cult in general. Like they just enjoy being scared or something, but are not actually serious about anything. Like the true crime YouTube series enjoyers. That's purely vibes based of course
- dist-epoch 6d agoYet they were much better at predicting Covid or AI than the "serious people" which dismissed these subjects until it smacked them in the face.
- sidewndr46 7d agoI'm pretty sure this is from the plot of the show Continuum.
- rep_lodsb 6d agoThere needs to be something on the other side to receive that morse code. Unless it's like Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect and it figures out how to rearrange matter just by modulating some electronic signal. If you think this is a realistic possibility, you might be experiencing AI psychosis.
- fragmede 6d agoThey were thinking of Van Eyck Phreaking
- amelius 7d agoMaybe it's more of theoretical interest, e.g. the interplay between thermodynamics and information theory, etc.
- nyankosensei 7d agoFigure 9C in the paper shows testing in a wooded area. Figure 9F shows transmitted data collected in a residential building, so not a test chamber.