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Nope I’m airing them right here. This guy didn’t do any work except tell the bot to continue for a month. That’s not work, that’s just unhealthy and negative. H
by GPerson 19d ago
Nope I’m airing them right here. This guy didn’t do any work except tell the bot to continue for a month. That’s not work, that’s just unhealthy and negative. He’s made no intellectual progress. He doesn’t even know any mathematics and has never cared to learn. He’s just lucky other people are there and kind enough to let him dump his slop onto. They could have done this and gotten a lot more out of it.
- zozbot234 19d agoYou can definitely argue that the user's direction and curation work was intellectually trivial (though there's meaningful room for disagreement even there, especially wrt. having the AI stick to established terminology/broad approaches - this is arguably a sort of successful "systematizing" work, though only in a very minimal sense) but this was not a one-shotted result. The blog post is extremely clear about that. And of course, going by their own admission, they couldn't "have done this themselves": the most you can argue wrt. this is that Mantova and L'Innocente, or some other narrow domain experts, might have done this themselves and that AI "scooped" this result from them.
- GPerson 19d agoNobody said it was one-shotted? It was mindlessly “continue-shotted” except for the brilliant idea of upgrading the model. Obviously the models are going to be improved to the point where typing continue continue, how ya feeling, continue continue, okay let’s double check this, upgrade model, continue continue, will be less necessary.
- unified101 19d agoThe direction of continue shotting will develop a new culture that lead to a much more wider understanding for humans in the field of math. Find a way to accept this new culture and you'll thrive.
- GPerson 19d agoIt won’t. It will lead to a culture which makes it impossible to actually spend a life learning mathematics deeply.
- unified101 19d agoIt will. you just lack imagination.
- GPerson 19d agoIt won’t. You just have no idea how the world actually works.
- unified101 19d agoIt will. you lack imagination, and have a unnecessary high opinion of yourself.
- GPerson 19d agoIt won’t. I don’t.
- unified101 19d agoI apologize to GPerson for needlessly trying to convince him to my point of view. He seems to be an smart person deeply affected by how LLM are affecting his vocation and work. It was wrong of me to do this and I will take a break from this website for one week.
- danabramov 19d agoI was not "mindlessly continue-shotting". The way you describe it is literally the same as "one-shotting" and, as I explained in the article, it simply doesn't work. You are welcome to try it yourself on this problem to verify that. Yes, I was not doing any mathematical work in curating the output, but the article makes it quite clear that pivots and constraints the LLM would not impose on itself were critical to actually making progress. Also: >He doesn’t even know any mathematics and has never cared to learn While I don't know enough mathematics to work on this problem, claiming something like this is preposterous. As I link in the first paragraph of the article, I've been learning mathematics on my own by going through Terence Tao's Analysis book and solving exercises. I'm familiar with the concepts of mathematical definitions, proofs, etc. I've gotten about halfway through the book solving them on paper before abandoning it (and later got through the first few chapters in Lean, also solving every exercise — by hand, mind you). Sure, this doesn't make me a mathematician, but I'm closer to a dropout first-year student than to someone who has "never cared to learn".
- GPerson 19d agoI read your blog and nothing in it indicates you did anything besides mindless continue shotting. You don’t know this because you don’t know anything about the culture you’re stomping on. Edit I apologize to Dan Abramov for venting my frustrations about things outside of either of our control and unfairly using him as a punching bag. He seems to be an intelligent person and I hope he continues learning mathematics using whatever tools he sees fit, including AI. It was wrong of me to do this and I will take a break from this website for one week.
- danabramov 19d agoI invite you to continue-shot this result. I haven’t been able to do that with the current models in a separate control session. It might be possible to plainly continue-shot it with more powerful models in the future. I agree that whatever I did is probably automatable.
- GPerson 19d ago