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> Threat from Russia Right. Mighty Russia that has been fought to a standstill by its much smaller neighbour is going to provoke a military alliance absolutely

> Threat from Russia Right. Mighty Russia that has been fought to a standstill by its much smaller neighbour is going to provoke a military alliance absolutely dwarfing it into outright war. Not even China is going to back that after having a look at who the more valuable trading partner is. Being ready for war is reasonable, being afraid or worried is a waste of time, and even irrational in this case.

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tzs 13d ago
From the article, starting in the next paragraph after the one your quote was in: > But what is the threat? In 1940 the danger of a German invasion of the UK was very real. But the chances of Russian tanks rolling up Whitehall are surely negligible. > "It's not the tanks you need to worry about," says historian Margaret MacMillan, author of War: How Conflict Shaped Us. > "It's the cutting of cables on the ocean floor. It's the hacking into systems on which so many things depend. The possibility for asymmetric war, for cyber war, is growing by leaps and bounds."
- keeda 13d ago
  Case in point, Russia has been fought to a standstill by its much smaller neighbor using asymmetric warfare. There is no reason Russia would not turn around and do the same to other countries. One may argue it has already done so in the past via election interference, except now it also has AI in its arsenal, which won’t even need ICBMs to be delivered to its targets.
  - notaigenerated 13d ago
    Dude, you have no idea about the modern warfare. The only country Russia is actually afraid of is the USA. And nobody except probably the USA or maybe Turkey is even remotely ready for modern war. Russia is having "military operation" right now. If they start the "war". Second of all, the "much smaller neighbour" is any European country to them. Ukraine is the biggest country on European continent if we include the occupied territory. And it's actually has the most capable armed forces military-wise. Russia took over 116k sq km of Ukraine. All three Baltic states are 175k sq km combined and they literally can't defend themselves in case USA decides to withdraw. And last but not the least, Russia's war is irrational. It makes no sense from any rational viewpoint. So relying on common sense in this case is wrong. You need to understand russian ideology and Putin's specifically.
    - scoofy 12d ago
      Just leave it. There are so many Russian apologists on this forum it’s exhausting. You’d think the fact that Russia is in the middle of an unwise and unnecessary war of aggression wouldn’t itself be an argument for concerns of more attacks on NATO countries and allies. But to prebut whataboutism, I also don’t like American imperialism.
    - keeda 12d ago
      I’m not quite sure what the disagreement is here. I was just saying asymmetric or other unconventional warfare can be extremely effective, as Ukraine’s resilience has shown, and there’s no reason Russia could not adopt similar means. In fact it has been doing so in the past. Somehow that makes me a Russia apologist, as sibling comment implies? Genuinely confused.
    - Obscurity4340 12d ago
      > it makes no sense from any rational viewpoint Didnt they start almost immediately trying to setup like mineral processing facillities in areas they were able to nominally gain control of? Wonder what the impetus for this was, were the elites embezzling too much or low oil prices or something that motivated them to pillage to make up the difference? Or typical greed in the absence of any asscovery...
Hizonner 13d ago
Invading Ukraine was idiotic on its own, and that happened. It's not irrational to notice that irrational actors do irrational things.
- t0bia_s 13d ago
  How rational is killing others when someone tell you? You need strong propaganda of fear to makes other to kill each other. Something like those articles.
  - sgt101 13d ago
    Yet again: we're making the Russians do it?
    - t0bia_s 12d ago
      Whats the point of using methods that you fight against?
tim333 12d ago
It's not so much about how powerful Russia is as the attitude of it's leadership that seems determined to go attacking. It's already gone provoking with the drones at Leipzig and the like. And the place which is not overflowing with spare cash has been building 20,000 hosptial beds near the Baltics https://militarnyi.com/en/news/russia-plans-16-000-20-000-hospital-beds-for-wounded-soldiers-near-the-baltic-states/ https://militarnyi.com/en/news/russia-plans-16-000-20-000-ho...
- Obscurity4340 12d ago
  > 20,000 hospital beds The trolling never stops, as if they have any intention of fixing anyone broken

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tzs 13d ago

From the article, starting in the next paragraph after the one your quote was in: > But what is the threat? In 1940 the danger of a German invasion of the UK was very real. But the chances of Russian tanks rolling up Whitehall are surely negligible. > "It's not the tanks you need to worry about," says historian Margaret MacMillan, author of War: How Conflict Shaped Us. > "It's the cutting of cables on the ocean floor. It's the hacking into systems on which so many things depend. The possibility for asymmetric war, for cyber war, is growing by leaps and bounds."

keeda 13d ago
Case in point, Russia has been fought to a standstill by its much smaller neighbor using asymmetric warfare. There is no reason Russia would not turn around and do the same to other countries. One may argue it has already done so in the past via election interference, except now it also has AI in its arsenal, which won’t even need ICBMs to be delivered to its targets.
- notaigenerated 13d ago
  Dude, you have no idea about the modern warfare. The only country Russia is actually afraid of is the USA. And nobody except probably the USA or maybe Turkey is even remotely ready for modern war. Russia is having "military operation" right now. If they start the "war". Second of all, the "much smaller neighbour" is any European country to them. Ukraine is the biggest country on European continent if we include the occupied territory. And it's actually has the most capable armed forces military-wise. Russia took over 116k sq km of Ukraine. All three Baltic states are 175k sq km combined and they literally can't defend themselves in case USA decides to withdraw. And last but not the least, Russia's war is irrational. It makes no sense from any rational viewpoint. So relying on common sense in this case is wrong. You need to understand russian ideology and Putin's specifically.
  - scoofy 12d ago
    Just leave it. There are so many Russian apologists on this forum it’s exhausting. You’d think the fact that Russia is in the middle of an unwise and unnecessary war of aggression wouldn’t itself be an argument for concerns of more attacks on NATO countries and allies. But to prebut whataboutism, I also don’t like American imperialism.
  - keeda 12d ago
    I’m not quite sure what the disagreement is here. I was just saying asymmetric or other unconventional warfare can be extremely effective, as Ukraine’s resilience has shown, and there’s no reason Russia could not adopt similar means. In fact it has been doing so in the past. Somehow that makes me a Russia apologist, as sibling comment implies? Genuinely confused.
  - Obscurity4340 12d ago
    > it makes no sense from any rational viewpoint Didnt they start almost immediately trying to setup like mineral processing facillities in areas they were able to nominally gain control of? Wonder what the impetus for this was, were the elites embezzling too much or low oil prices or something that motivated them to pillage to make up the difference? Or typical greed in the absence of any asscovery...

Hizonner 13d ago

Invading Ukraine was idiotic on its own, and that happened. It's not irrational to notice that irrational actors do irrational things.

t0bia_s 13d ago
How rational is killing others when someone tell you? You need strong propaganda of fear to makes other to kill each other. Something like those articles.
- sgt101 13d ago
  Yet again: we're making the Russians do it?
  - t0bia_s 12d ago
    Whats the point of using methods that you fight against?

tim333 12d ago

It's not so much about how powerful Russia is as the attitude of it's leadership that seems determined to go attacking. It's already gone provoking with the drones at Leipzig and the like. And the place which is not overflowing with spare cash has been building 20,000 hosptial beds near the Baltics https://militarnyi.com/en/news/russia-plans-16-000-20-000-hospital-beds-for-wounded-soldiers-near-the-baltic-states/ https://militarnyi.com/en/news/russia-plans-16-000-20-000-ho...

Obscurity4340 12d ago
> 20,000 hospital beds The trolling never stops, as if they have any intention of fixing anyone broken