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>You're the one who called it a trillion dollar scam. Don't pretend like the AI companies are saying its only useful for programming. You've been arguing again

>You're the one who called it a trillion dollar scam. Don't pretend like the AI companies are saying its only useful for programming. You've been arguing against that the entire time.

ben_w 7d ago
They're not only useful for programming, it's just that programming is by itself a trillion dollar a year industry. This, by itself, is sufficient to not be the scam you assert it to be. They may not work for your industry, but then again I don't know what your industry is. Bluntly, over my lifetime, I've heard "AI will never/not in my lifetime do X" repeatedly within a year of it doing X, for many different X. It's good at getting good. The most recent one being "make useful contributions to millennium prize maths problems". A year or two before that, it was even "do well on degree-level economics essays". Artists are unhappy, not only because it rips off their work, but because businesses that were previously hiring them now use it instead. This is much smaller (strictly in terms of money) than with software, but is also measurable. Now, if you said Tesla's self-driving cars (another AI) are a trillion dollar scam, that I would even agree with. At least, for the market cap part, for actual sales it's more like a billion dollar (ish) scam.
- freejazz 7d ago
  >They're not only useful for programming, it's just that programming is by itself a trillion dollar a year industry. This, by itself, is sufficient to not be the scam you assert it to be. Yeah, if you think I'm being overly literal. Regardless, people here were positing, yourself included, that they are widely useful. > Bluntly, over my lifetime, I've heard "AI will never/not in my lifetime do X" repeatedly within a year of it doing X, for many different X. It's Again, over my lifetime, I've seen it been told to me that the next iteration of each model will surely be the one that does away with my entire profession. Yet, again, here we are, firms at my door, begging me to use their tools. >Artists are unhappy, not only because it rips off their work, but because businesses that were previously hiring them now use it instead. No, they are unhappy because it rips off their work. You're totally wrong about that.

>You're the one who called it a trillion dollar scam. Don't pretend like the AI companies are saying its only useful for programming. You've been arguing against that the entire time.

ben_w 7d ago

They're not only useful for programming, it's just that programming is by itself a trillion dollar a year industry. This, by itself, is sufficient to not be the scam you assert it to be. They may not work for your industry, but then again I don't know what your industry is. Bluntly, over my lifetime, I've heard "AI will never/not in my lifetime do X" repeatedly within a year of it doing X, for many different X. It's good at getting good. The most recent one being "make useful contributions to millennium prize maths problems". A year or two before that, it was even "do well on degree-level economics essays". Artists are unhappy, not only because it rips off their work, but because businesses that were previously hiring them now use it instead. This is much smaller (strictly in terms of money) than with software, but is also measurable. Now, if you said Tesla's self-driving cars (another AI) are a trillion dollar scam, that I would even agree with. At least, for the market cap part, for actual sales it's more like a billion dollar (ish) scam.

freejazz 7d ago
>They're not only useful for programming, it's just that programming is by itself a trillion dollar a year industry. This, by itself, is sufficient to not be the scam you assert it to be. Yeah, if you think I'm being overly literal. Regardless, people here were positing, yourself included, that they are widely useful. > Bluntly, over my lifetime, I've heard "AI will never/not in my lifetime do X" repeatedly within a year of it doing X, for many different X. It's Again, over my lifetime, I've seen it been told to me that the next iteration of each model will surely be the one that does away with my entire profession. Yet, again, here we are, firms at my door, begging me to use their tools. >Artists are unhappy, not only because it rips off their work, but because businesses that were previously hiring them now use it instead. No, they are unhappy because it rips off their work. You're totally wrong about that.