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Funny to see this after I spent the morning troubleshooting and fixing my crowdsec install on my debian 13 vps. Apparently they stopped supplying a community bl

Funny to see this after I spent the morning troubleshooting and fixing my crowdsec install on my debian 13 vps. Apparently they stopped supplying a community blocklist to my machine because I'm running the old debian packaged version instead of directly from them (http 500). I had a LLM build a blocklist from publicly available sources rather than tie myself more tightly to their SaaS platform.

getcrunk 20d ago
Wait … that’s lame. If it’s in Debian repos I expect it to work with full functionality (up to the version number) I can understand the myriad reasons for why a company would be inconvenienced by that. But on the other hand, it seems like a reason for me to never use the vendor
tacomagick 20d ago
Ah, I just learned this, thanks for the heads up.
idiotsecant 20d ago
I feel like a massive blocklist is simultaneously exactly the kind of thing an LLM is likely to hallucinate and exactly the kind of thing you don't want to rely on an LLM for.
- zamadatix 19d ago
  If they had it build it from public sources then I assume it was combined via tool usage rather than direct generation. Beyond the hallucination risk, the latter would just be a waste of tokens & time.
- antonvs 19d ago
  Modern agent harnesses rely heavily on tools, as well as writing code, to avoid hallucinations affecting deterministic values.
  - shakna 19d ago
    Which means it'd be a lot cheaper, to use tools, and public sources, and just automate it the traditional way...
    - antonvs 19d ago
      I take it you’ve never used a modern agent.
    - KetoManx64 19d ago
      I'd rather spend the $0.50 in API credits than waste a couple hours of my time. How much is your time worth?
      - shakna 19d ago
        Well, it'd cost me about 10 minutes, and it wouldn't delete half my data. So... How much is your infrastructure worth?
        KetoManx64 19d ago
        My infrastructure is build from a git ansible repo that I tear down and rebuild regularly, so $0.
        shakna 19d ago
        Did you take that time into your account of costs as well? You're already using automation tools. Seems like you just don't... Want to learn... The tool that would save you hours of frustration, tomorrow or the day after.
        KetoManx64 19d ago
        It won't. And there is no reason to learn the intricacies of every little script that is written because there is not enough time in the day for that. If the script fails you feed claude the logs and tell it to fix it while working on the things that I actually enjoy working on and matter in the long run.
tecleandor 20d ago
Ah, I have to check that, thanks!

getcrunk 20d ago

Wait … that’s lame. If it’s in Debian repos I expect it to work with full functionality (up to the version number) I can understand the myriad reasons for why a company would be inconvenienced by that. But on the other hand, it seems like a reason for me to never use the vendor

tacomagick 20d ago

Ah, I just learned this, thanks for the heads up.

idiotsecant 20d ago

I feel like a massive blocklist is simultaneously exactly the kind of thing an LLM is likely to hallucinate and exactly the kind of thing you don't want to rely on an LLM for.

zamadatix 19d ago
If they had it build it from public sources then I assume it was combined via tool usage rather than direct generation. Beyond the hallucination risk, the latter would just be a waste of tokens & time.
antonvs 19d ago
Modern agent harnesses rely heavily on tools, as well as writing code, to avoid hallucinations affecting deterministic values.
- shakna 19d ago
  Which means it'd be a lot cheaper, to use tools, and public sources, and just automate it the traditional way...
  - antonvs 19d ago
    I take it you’ve never used a modern agent.
  - KetoManx64 19d ago
    I'd rather spend the $0.50 in API credits than waste a couple hours of my time. How much is your time worth?
    - shakna 19d ago
      Well, it'd cost me about 10 minutes, and it wouldn't delete half my data. So... How much is your infrastructure worth?
      - KetoManx64 19d ago
        My infrastructure is build from a git ansible repo that I tear down and rebuild regularly, so $0.
        shakna 19d ago
        Did you take that time into your account of costs as well? You're already using automation tools. Seems like you just don't... Want to learn... The tool that would save you hours of frustration, tomorrow or the day after.
        KetoManx64 19d ago
        It won't. And there is no reason to learn the intricacies of every little script that is written because there is not enough time in the day for that. If the script fails you feed claude the logs and tell it to fix it while working on the things that I actually enjoy working on and matter in the long run.

tecleandor 20d ago

Ah, I have to check that, thanks!