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> At least Sam and Dario are aligned with a value set that is understood and clear What value set do you perceive that to be, and why would you take your perce

> At least Sam and Dario are aligned with a value set that is understood and clear What value set do you perceive that to be, and why would you take your perception of it to be any more sound than it would be with a politician? It's not like someone can operate companies of that scale, especially startups, through earnestness and openness. Like national politics, their job is fundamentally about perception management and power brokering across dynamic windows of opportunity. Nothing they say or do can be taken at face value, and you can't reduce their incentives to either company or personal profit in any particular form over any particular time scale.

pixl97 9d ago
>What value set do you perceive that to be A meat based paperclip maximizer.
jonas21 9d ago
I feel like many of Anthropic's issues are due to Dario being too earnest and open. It seems both refreshing (that a CEO has thought deeply about and is willing to talk publicly about the dangers of their product) and depressing (that so many people cynically think this is some sort of marketing ploy).
- freejazz 9d ago
  Yeah, the guy running a trillion dollar scam is totally the exception to CEO-ism
  - ben_w 9d ago
    What's the old quote from WW2? I couldn't help but notice how each successive headline reporting our glorious victories seemed to draw closer to Tokyo. Something like that. Well. I can't help but notice how each successive headline reporting how this scam/stochastic parrot/"scare quotes intelligence" seems to be solving more and more things that were but a few years ago widely regarded as being indicators of high intelligence.
    - freejazz 9d ago
      Year 3 of being told my job will be replaced by AI, and the only thing that's happened so far is that AI vendors keep showing up to my office, begging me to pay them to use it is a tool. If you're only seeing the charts go up - you're not looking in the right places.
      - ben_w 9d ago
        I'm looking at the millennium puzzles, and independently of those puzzles I had asked it for a fluid dynamics simulation engine that runs in my browser, and it put one together for me so I could play with aerospikes and watch the formation of Mach diamonds in rocket engines. The isochrone map generator has also been stuck on my to-do list for years, and yet now thanks to Claude, I have it, and it's real-time and multimodal. Even before then, the free trials of Claude Code and Codex at the end of last year and start of this year… despite their flaws, they could write all the code I've ever been paid to write. Sure, limited speedup, Amdahl's law and coding is not the only part of the job, but anyone who was fine at PM and QA but not code no longer needs a coder. Even before then, I looked at the maths puzzles they were doing well at, and I found I did not understand the questions let alone the answers. I remember when the ability to generate music and art was "uniquely human", and sure there's a lot of cringe there with those models, but they're also winning awards and causing controversy by doing so, and artists are losing clients; I remember when the board game Go was considered to require "human intuition we could never make a computer solve, totally different to chess" (and I remember when chess was so, too). When I was a kid, cheques and letters on addresses often got read by a human; the OCR which automated this is also AI, though these days image-to-numbers is the "hello world" of the field.
        freejazz 9d ago
        >Even before then, I looked at the maths puzzles they were doing well at, and I found I did not understand the questions let alone the answers. okay, and? >Even before then, the free trials of Claude Code and Codex at the end of last year and start of this year… despite their flaws, they could write all the code I've ever been paid to write. Boy, programmers sure do think programming is like the only thing in the world I'll repeat it for you again: If you're only seeing the charts go up - you're not looking in the right places.
- nullbio 8d ago
  It's exactly the opposite. Anthropic has earned their terrible reputation through years of lying, deceit, misdirection, gaslighting, unethical marketing strategies, etc. I remember it vividly, when Anthropic first came on the scene, people (myself included) were incredibly optimistic about them and their leadership. Everyone hated SamA and OpenAI because they felt they couldn't be trusted. Then slowly but surely, they showed their true colours. Now their reputation is in shambles due to their own behavior, and people are rooting for OAI to beat them. OAI's reputation gains have purely been a result of NOT following in the footsteps of Anthropic.

pixl97 9d ago

>What value set do you perceive that to be A meat based paperclip maximizer.

jonas21 9d ago

I feel like many of Anthropic's issues are due to Dario being too earnest and open. It seems both refreshing (that a CEO has thought deeply about and is willing to talk publicly about the dangers of their product) and depressing (that so many people cynically think this is some sort of marketing ploy).

freejazz 9d ago
Yeah, the guy running a trillion dollar scam is totally the exception to CEO-ism
- ben_w 9d ago
  What's the old quote from WW2? I couldn't help but notice how each successive headline reporting our glorious victories seemed to draw closer to Tokyo. Something like that. Well. I can't help but notice how each successive headline reporting how this scam/stochastic parrot/"scare quotes intelligence" seems to be solving more and more things that were but a few years ago widely regarded as being indicators of high intelligence.
  - freejazz 9d ago
    Year 3 of being told my job will be replaced by AI, and the only thing that's happened so far is that AI vendors keep showing up to my office, begging me to pay them to use it is a tool. If you're only seeing the charts go up - you're not looking in the right places.
    - ben_w 9d ago
      I'm looking at the millennium puzzles, and independently of those puzzles I had asked it for a fluid dynamics simulation engine that runs in my browser, and it put one together for me so I could play with aerospikes and watch the formation of Mach diamonds in rocket engines. The isochrone map generator has also been stuck on my to-do list for years, and yet now thanks to Claude, I have it, and it's real-time and multimodal. Even before then, the free trials of Claude Code and Codex at the end of last year and start of this year… despite their flaws, they could write all the code I've ever been paid to write. Sure, limited speedup, Amdahl's law and coding is not the only part of the job, but anyone who was fine at PM and QA but not code no longer needs a coder. Even before then, I looked at the maths puzzles they were doing well at, and I found I did not understand the questions let alone the answers. I remember when the ability to generate music and art was "uniquely human", and sure there's a lot of cringe there with those models, but they're also winning awards and causing controversy by doing so, and artists are losing clients; I remember when the board game Go was considered to require "human intuition we could never make a computer solve, totally different to chess" (and I remember when chess was so, too). When I was a kid, cheques and letters on addresses often got read by a human; the OCR which automated this is also AI, though these days image-to-numbers is the "hello world" of the field.
      - freejazz 9d ago
        >Even before then, I looked at the maths puzzles they were doing well at, and I found I did not understand the questions let alone the answers. okay, and? >Even before then, the free trials of Claude Code and Codex at the end of last year and start of this year… despite their flaws, they could write all the code I've ever been paid to write. Boy, programmers sure do think programming is like the only thing in the world I'll repeat it for you again: If you're only seeing the charts go up - you're not looking in the right places.
nullbio 8d ago
It's exactly the opposite. Anthropic has earned their terrible reputation through years of lying, deceit, misdirection, gaslighting, unethical marketing strategies, etc. I remember it vividly, when Anthropic first came on the scene, people (myself included) were incredibly optimistic about them and their leadership. Everyone hated SamA and OpenAI because they felt they couldn't be trusted. Then slowly but surely, they showed their true colours. Now their reputation is in shambles due to their own behavior, and people are rooting for OAI to beat them. OAI's reputation gains have purely been a result of NOT following in the footsteps of Anthropic.