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Are there any tangible economic benefits here? Or is it just a label?

by orochimaaru 17d ago

Angostura 17d ago
Does low-tariff trade and easier freedom of movement offer benefits?
- orochimaaru 17d ago
  That’s for full EU members part of the economic union. There is a whole process for that which takes a few years. Britain had a good deal which they threw away (use their own currency but they’re a part of the broader economic union). There’s already visa free travel from Canada to the EU and trade deals in progress. It’s unclear what specific benefits the associate member deal provides.
  - 1over137 17d ago
    Tourist visa. But this may end up including student and/or work visas.
    - hylaride 17d ago
      While I would love to be able to live in Europe at-will, but it'll probably mean specific employment visas that will be relatively easy to get (similar to the USMCA T1 visas). I'd be happy if Canadians would be able to use the EU passports lines, though.
arecurrence 17d ago
Carney's speech is here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7Y9eFJFZfo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7Y9eFJFZfo The text of the speech is at https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/speeches/2026/09/17/prime-minister-carney-delivers-address-european-parliament https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/speeches/2026/09/17/prime-minis... The wording is such that it sounds like he is pushing a very ambitious portfolio. It appears that the idea is to make this a model for a new alliance that will include other countries over time. The other deals Canada has made with the EU have been very substantive. CETA was the first major trade deal that the EU passed.
- noir_lord 17d ago
  > build more secure broadband connections between Europe and Asia via our common geography. That made me do a double take and then rewind (I watched the full speech in the background), that's a fairly seismic shift if followed through and will reshape the internet over the next few decades (go look at a current fibre map for global internet links, they pretty much all route through the US and land in the UK), having an alternative path through Canada into the UK/Europe is a big change.
  - pjc50 17d ago
    Interesting from a surveillance point of view. Are we going to end up with the Four Eyes?
    - noir_lord 17d ago
      I do wonder how much of that still applies anyway, the extremely cosy/informal relationship between the five members can't really work in a world where one member is threatening to annexe the territory of one and support the annexation of another. Trump wading into the Falklands debate was catastrophically stupid (not that I would expect otherwise) and chopped the legs out from the people who'd support him/their style of politics here. So was threatening Canada, that's how he ended up dealing with Carney which from his PoV was the much worse outcome.
      - pjc50 17d ago
        I suspect that the various staff of the permanent ("deep") state who roll their eyes at democratic accountability are just continuing to do their own thing together. Especially as they tend to have conservative politics and the same personal list of friend and enemy countries that is not easily updated.
        noir_lord 17d ago
        Probably, even if the instruction comes down from on high to not co-operate so much institutional inertia (and decades of working together) will keep it going for a while, likely til the senior folks retire.
bryanlarsen 17d ago
Europe and Canada are going through a very significant "buy local" phase. If Canadian goods are considered local from the European perspective, that opens up a lot of opportunities.
- criddell 17d ago
  What does buy local mean if goods shipped from the other side of the planet are considered local?
  - sandworm101 17d ago
    It means neither will be buying american, which is "good" in that it helps cut ties with the US, which is what america seems to want.
    - thayne 17d ago
      It is what people in control of the US government seem to want. Which is not the same as what the American population wants (although there is a subset that wants it). As an American, it is absolutely not what I want.
      - badc0ffee 16d ago
        If only there was a way for the government to represent the will of the people.
  - icedrift 17d ago
    The same thing, "buy American" means to an American. I.E. A New Yorker might prefer timber from across the continent in California even though Canada is right there.
    - WarmWash 17d ago
      Considering most liberals still are doing this "We considered an EV but a gas car was still is cheaper" song and dance, I would bet all my money that people just stick to whatever is cheapest, as they always do.
iAMkenough 17d ago
Did you not read the OP? > In his address, Carney said Canada and Europe could strengthen their "strategic autonomy" through "deep co-operation in the full range of strategic capabilities, including critical minerals". > He said Canada could supply liquefied natural gas and hydrogen to support European energy security, while benefiting from Europe's expertise in clean-energy technologies. > He also proposed pooling technological resources and deepening "people to people ties", including allowing young people to "work, study and live where they want on either side of the Atlantic" through Canada joining the EU's Erasmus+ programme.
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Are there any tangible economic benefits here? Or is it just a label?

Angostura 17d ago

Does low-tariff trade and easier freedom of movement offer benefits?

orochimaaru 17d ago
That’s for full EU members part of the economic union. There is a whole process for that which takes a few years. Britain had a good deal which they threw away (use their own currency but they’re a part of the broader economic union). There’s already visa free travel from Canada to the EU and trade deals in progress. It’s unclear what specific benefits the associate member deal provides.
- 1over137 17d ago
  Tourist visa. But this may end up including student and/or work visas.
  - hylaride 17d ago
    While I would love to be able to live in Europe at-will, but it'll probably mean specific employment visas that will be relatively easy to get (similar to the USMCA T1 visas). I'd be happy if Canadians would be able to use the EU passports lines, though.

arecurrence 17d ago

Carney's speech is here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7Y9eFJFZfo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7Y9eFJFZfo The text of the speech is at https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/speeches/2026/09/17/prime-minister-carney-delivers-address-european-parliament https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/speeches/2026/09/17/prime-minis... The wording is such that it sounds like he is pushing a very ambitious portfolio. It appears that the idea is to make this a model for a new alliance that will include other countries over time. The other deals Canada has made with the EU have been very substantive. CETA was the first major trade deal that the EU passed.

noir_lord 17d ago
> build more secure broadband connections between Europe and Asia via our common geography. That made me do a double take and then rewind (I watched the full speech in the background), that's a fairly seismic shift if followed through and will reshape the internet over the next few decades (go look at a current fibre map for global internet links, they pretty much all route through the US and land in the UK), having an alternative path through Canada into the UK/Europe is a big change.
- pjc50 17d ago
  Interesting from a surveillance point of view. Are we going to end up with the Four Eyes?
  - noir_lord 17d ago
    I do wonder how much of that still applies anyway, the extremely cosy/informal relationship between the five members can't really work in a world where one member is threatening to annexe the territory of one and support the annexation of another. Trump wading into the Falklands debate was catastrophically stupid (not that I would expect otherwise) and chopped the legs out from the people who'd support him/their style of politics here. So was threatening Canada, that's how he ended up dealing with Carney which from his PoV was the much worse outcome.
    - pjc50 17d ago
      I suspect that the various staff of the permanent ("deep") state who roll their eyes at democratic accountability are just continuing to do their own thing together. Especially as they tend to have conservative politics and the same personal list of friend and enemy countries that is not easily updated.
      - noir_lord 17d ago
        Probably, even if the instruction comes down from on high to not co-operate so much institutional inertia (and decades of working together) will keep it going for a while, likely til the senior folks retire.

bryanlarsen 17d ago

Europe and Canada are going through a very significant "buy local" phase. If Canadian goods are considered local from the European perspective, that opens up a lot of opportunities.

criddell 17d ago
What does buy local mean if goods shipped from the other side of the planet are considered local?
- sandworm101 17d ago
  It means neither will be buying american, which is "good" in that it helps cut ties with the US, which is what america seems to want.
  - thayne 17d ago
    It is what people in control of the US government seem to want. Which is not the same as what the American population wants (although there is a subset that wants it). As an American, it is absolutely not what I want.
    - badc0ffee 16d ago
      If only there was a way for the government to represent the will of the people.
- icedrift 17d ago
  The same thing, "buy American" means to an American. I.E. A New Yorker might prefer timber from across the continent in California even though Canada is right there.
  - WarmWash 17d ago
    Considering most liberals still are doing this "We considered an EV but a gas car was still is cheaper" song and dance, I would bet all my money that people just stick to whatever is cheapest, as they always do.

iAMkenough 17d ago

Did you not read the OP? > In his address, Carney said Canada and Europe could strengthen their "strategic autonomy" through "deep co-operation in the full range of strategic capabilities, including critical minerals". > He said Canada could supply liquefied natural gas and hydrogen to support European energy security, while benefiting from Europe's expertise in clean-energy technologies. > He also proposed pooling technological resources and deepening "people to people ties", including allowing young people to "work, study and live where they want on either side of the Atlantic" through Canada joining the EU's Erasmus+ programme.

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