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Yeah, I don’t understand why people have a problem with this. I think it should basically always be true between peer nations that there is free movement and tr

by andy99 9d ago

Yeah, I don’t understand why people have a problem with this. I think it should basically always be true between peer nations that there is free movement and trade.

buellerbueller 9d ago
There are a lot of jingoists around who want to use that character trait to amass power/wealth, or to find an excuse for things in their life they don't like. Sometimes, their grievances might even be legitimate.
50or05 9d ago
Japan, Australia, South Korea and few other democracies also should join-in for resilience against US and China
TheSkyHasEyes 9d ago
> Yeah, I don’t understand why people have a problem with this. Some want to be ensured Canada's sovereignty isn't changed. As this as of right now is a news headline I get their point of view for now.
ChrisRR 9d ago
Having been through years of brexit crap, I can tell you that the answer is racism, and the weaponisation of outrage by the media
- dijit 8d ago
  Irony aside (now there's more people from the middle-east migrating to the UK- which if you're racist you tend to hate more than Polish/French/German/Swedes/Estonians)... I think a lot of people who argued for brexit did so mostly out of ignorance. "There are regulations on bananas, this makes things inefficient!" (forgetting that the regulations on bananas was about categorising them, not forbidding sale). They felt out of touch and disconnected from EU parliament, and it seemed complicated and scary. Ironically the reason it's so complicated is because it's a lot more democratic than our own systems- but instead of attempting to understand it they threw their hands up and thought "since I didn't vote for every person who works there, it must be undemocratic!" It's very true that there was an anti-migration sentiment inside brexit, but I wouldn't go nearly so far as to say that this was the only feeling people had. I'd say it's mostly feeling a loss of control, which they couldn't place and our politicians were not open enough about explaining that this loss of control of the population was caused by.... the politicians themselves.
  - disgruntledphd2 8d ago
    > I'd say it's mostly feeling a loss of control, which they couldn't place and our politicians were not open enough about explaining that this loss of control of the population was caused by.... the politicians themselves. Yeah, the EU is essentially run by the national governments. However, they typically (and the UK were particularly bad here) use the EU as a scape-goat for unpopular decisions even when they'd agreed to them in Brussels. Understandable, but bad for Europe/EU in general.
  - ChrisRR 8d ago
    This is what I meant by weaponisation of outrage. The media got people so riled up about things that didn't really affect them so that they eventually felt like the EU didn't represent them. Fishing being the obvious example. I'd never seen many people care about fishing rights until it was suddenly a hot topic leading up to the vote, but suddenly people really cared about what was happening around the scottish coastline
gwbas1c 9d ago
Are you referring to Trump? He's the kind of person who sees these kinds of things as eroding his power, thus threatening to him.

by andy99 9d ago

Yeah, I don’t understand why people have a problem with this. I think it should basically always be true between peer nations that there is free movement and trade.

buellerbueller 9d ago

There are a lot of jingoists around who want to use that character trait to amass power/wealth, or to find an excuse for things in their life they don't like. Sometimes, their grievances might even be legitimate.

50or05 9d ago

Japan, Australia, South Korea and few other democracies also should join-in for resilience against US and China

TheSkyHasEyes 9d ago

> Yeah, I don’t understand why people have a problem with this. Some want to be ensured Canada's sovereignty isn't changed. As this as of right now is a news headline I get their point of view for now.

ChrisRR 9d ago

Having been through years of brexit crap, I can tell you that the answer is racism, and the weaponisation of outrage by the media

dijit 8d ago
Irony aside (now there's more people from the middle-east migrating to the UK- which if you're racist you tend to hate more than Polish/French/German/Swedes/Estonians)... I think a lot of people who argued for brexit did so mostly out of ignorance. "There are regulations on bananas, this makes things inefficient!" (forgetting that the regulations on bananas was about categorising them, not forbidding sale). They felt out of touch and disconnected from EU parliament, and it seemed complicated and scary. Ironically the reason it's so complicated is because it's a lot more democratic than our own systems- but instead of attempting to understand it they threw their hands up and thought "since I didn't vote for every person who works there, it must be undemocratic!" It's very true that there was an anti-migration sentiment inside brexit, but I wouldn't go nearly so far as to say that this was the only feeling people had. I'd say it's mostly feeling a loss of control, which they couldn't place and our politicians were not open enough about explaining that this loss of control of the population was caused by.... the politicians themselves.
- disgruntledphd2 8d ago
  > I'd say it's mostly feeling a loss of control, which they couldn't place and our politicians were not open enough about explaining that this loss of control of the population was caused by.... the politicians themselves. Yeah, the EU is essentially run by the national governments. However, they typically (and the UK were particularly bad here) use the EU as a scape-goat for unpopular decisions even when they'd agreed to them in Brussels. Understandable, but bad for Europe/EU in general.
- ChrisRR 8d ago
  This is what I meant by weaponisation of outrage. The media got people so riled up about things that didn't really affect them so that they eventually felt like the EU didn't represent them. Fishing being the obvious example. I'd never seen many people care about fishing rights until it was suddenly a hot topic leading up to the vote, but suddenly people really cared about what was happening around the scottish coastline

gwbas1c 9d ago

Are you referring to Trump? He's the kind of person who sees these kinds of things as eroding his power, thus threatening to him.