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What is "illegal" about it?
by jensb1 16d ago
What is "illegal" about it?
- bingud 16d agobreaking Anthropic TOS and misleading users
- drbscl 16d agoBreaking TOS isn't illegal per se. It just allows for denial of services, and may define terms by which the provider can reclaim costs.
- bbor 16d agoAre you joking...? Sorry if so! Just in case: It's illegal in both the PRC and the USA. In the PRC, they[1] leaked tons of national secrets on the PRC's latest AI campaigns, the inner workings of their "opinion monitoring" (read: performative panopticon) and "stability" (read: violent oppression) departments, Chengdu's whole CCTV network, direct-energy weapons plans, espionage activities in Syria to hunt down Uyghur refugees, and god knows what else that Anthropic didn't divulge to us common folk. In the US, it's very clearly an attempt to rip off a competitor. I'm not sure how else you could possibly see it. Even if you're a distillation fan in general (which A. why and B. plz don't), they did this through a network of Japanese and Signaporean shell accounts, presumably at least some of which were abusing Anthropic's subscription service in a ToS double-whammy, as it would be exorbitantly expensive otherwise. They also had to hack around Anthropic's API to get CoT traces, which seems impossible to explain away as anything innocent. I've been beating the "China isn't necessarily an enemy, it's gonna take us all to handle AI" drum for literally years, but this attack was just... gross. Gross in scale and gross in arrogance. Not a good sign for the dawning alignment crisis, to say the least :( TL;DR: Use these services if you want, but know that you're supporting aggressive escalations and companies that very clearly don't give a flying fuck about violating the law, much less your ToS. So... buyer beware, I guess. [1]: For clarity, Z.ai was not alone in this, nor were they most egregious attack -- Moonshot.ai (kimi) took that coveted prize. DeepSeek was involved, too.
- Bluestein 16d agoNulla poena sine lege?
- jensb1 16d ago[dead]
- dgellow 16d agoWhat does any of this have to do with the legality of distilling Claude? > use these services if you want, but know that you're supporting aggressive escalations and companies that very clearly don't give a flying fuck about violating the law, much less your ToS From my European point of view the same risk/concerns apply when using US providers
- cmrdporcupine 16d agoIt comforts Americans to believe their exceptionalism is both persistent/eternal and fully justified.
- bbor 15d agoReplying to a massive, blatant cyberattack with "lol America would prolly do the same" is not helpful nor rational. I am under no illusions about the exceptionalism of my state, especially considering the ongoing fascist self-coup. That's not the end of this discussion, not by a long shot.
- jLaForest 16d agoYes, wont somebody please think of the shareholders whose IP had been stolen...
- podocarp 16d agoSource for 1? Are we sure those aren't hallucinations?
- pjc50 16d ago> alignment crisis Alignment is meaningless; as you've noticed, humans aren't all that "morally aligned". If the tool needs safety measures it should be kept in a safe enclosure like we do with CNC machines, furnaces, and so on.