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War did not randomly came. America intentionally caused it. And has lawless goverment and unaccountable tech industry making it bad place for data.

by watwut 1mo ago

aprilthird2021 1mo ago
I wonder if Amazon can sue the US govt bc they basically caused this material loss to their business. I'm sure they cannot. Maybe a lawyer can explain why?
- nradov 1mo ago
  In US courts you can sue anyone for anything but you might not win. The US government has sovereign immunity from most civil liability. As for the legal system in Bahrain I have no idea but hypothetically even if Amazon could somehow win a judgment they wouldn't be able to collect.
  - jeltz 1mo ago
    Why wouldn't they be able to collect? As long as Amazon does business in a country the legal system in that country can collect.
    - mitxela 1mo ago
      How would the Bahrain legal system force the USA to pay reparations for the war it started? Seize all US assets, the way we did with Russia?
      - jeltz 1mo ago
        I mean that is how it works in all legal systems. If you refuse to pay your assets will be seized. Which is why they would almost certainly not refuse.
        mitxela 1mo ago
        What assets does the US have in Bahrain? Military bases? How do you seize a military base without getting blown up? The US would obviously retaliate by seizing Bahrain's assets in the US, which probably includes 100% of Bahrain's money (small countries don't get to have independent financial systems).
- toast0 1mo ago
  I'm not a lawyer, but this seems like a difficult case. For one thing, regardless of what the US did, they did not launch the attack that damaged the datacenters. That attack was provoked by US actions, but the attack was an intentional and voluntary act by Iran/IRGC. I don't think any of the usual settings for liability for the acts of others really apply here, but I'm not a lawyer. You'd also need to find a court of competent jurisdiction. The US is out because of soveriegn immunity. The Military Claims Act prohibits claims that "arise from action by an enemy or result directly or indirectly from an act of the armed forces of the United States in combat" [1]. The Federal Tort Claims Act bars "any claim arising in a foreign country" as well as "any claim arising out of the combatant activities of the military or naval forces, or the Coast Guard, during time of war" [2] and precedent recognize a state of war without a declaration. The courts in the country where the data centers were attacked might not be interested in addressing conduct of the US that didn't happen in their country. The courts in Iran are likely to consider the attack on the data center a legitimate act of war and not a tort; anyway good luck collecting against the US with a judgement from an Iranian court. Amazon might have a better time making a claim against Iran, in the court where the attacks took place, but good luck collecting a judgement. Maybe a case in the International Court of Justice, but those have to be submitted by a country and involved countries must consent. [1] https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title10/subtitleA/part4/chapter163&edition=prelim https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title10/sub... chapter section 2734 (b) (3) [2] see page 28 and 29 of https://www.congress.gov/crs_external_products/R/PDF/R45732/R45732.8.pdf https://www.congress.gov/crs_external_products/R/PDF/R45732/...
carefree-bob 1mo ago
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- SmirkingRevenge 1mo ago
  > You don't see the EU causing a war with Russia? Putin is launching and provoking wars, not the EU. > you will probably still blame America No, we would blame Putin, because he's the blameworthy party. As for Iran, Trump (and Trump voters by extension) is the blameworthy party. I don't even think any other R would have been dumb enough to go at Iran like this.
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- anigbrowl 1mo ago
  Poor Russia, forced to invade Ukraine! My heart bleeds for the Russian army, so cruelly dragged across the borders into another country and forced to fight its way out.
  - carefree-bob 1mo ago
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War did not randomly came. America intentionally caused it. And has lawless goverment and unaccountable tech industry making it bad place for data.

by watwut 1mo ago

War did not randomly came. America intentionally caused it. And has lawless goverment and unaccountable tech industry making it bad place for data.

aprilthird2021 1mo ago

I wonder if Amazon can sue the US govt bc they basically caused this material loss to their business. I'm sure they cannot. Maybe a lawyer can explain why?

nradov 1mo ago
In US courts you can sue anyone for anything but you might not win. The US government has sovereign immunity from most civil liability. As for the legal system in Bahrain I have no idea but hypothetically even if Amazon could somehow win a judgment they wouldn't be able to collect.
- jeltz 1mo ago
  Why wouldn't they be able to collect? As long as Amazon does business in a country the legal system in that country can collect.
  - mitxela 1mo ago
    How would the Bahrain legal system force the USA to pay reparations for the war it started? Seize all US assets, the way we did with Russia?
    - jeltz 1mo ago
      I mean that is how it works in all legal systems. If you refuse to pay your assets will be seized. Which is why they would almost certainly not refuse.
      - mitxela 1mo ago
        What assets does the US have in Bahrain? Military bases? How do you seize a military base without getting blown up? The US would obviously retaliate by seizing Bahrain's assets in the US, which probably includes 100% of Bahrain's money (small countries don't get to have independent financial systems).
toast0 1mo ago
I'm not a lawyer, but this seems like a difficult case. For one thing, regardless of what the US did, they did not launch the attack that damaged the datacenters. That attack was provoked by US actions, but the attack was an intentional and voluntary act by Iran/IRGC. I don't think any of the usual settings for liability for the acts of others really apply here, but I'm not a lawyer. You'd also need to find a court of competent jurisdiction. The US is out because of soveriegn immunity. The Military Claims Act prohibits claims that "arise from action by an enemy or result directly or indirectly from an act of the armed forces of the United States in combat" [1]. The Federal Tort Claims Act bars "any claim arising in a foreign country" as well as "any claim arising out of the combatant activities of the military or naval forces, or the Coast Guard, during time of war" [2] and precedent recognize a state of war without a declaration. The courts in the country where the data centers were attacked might not be interested in addressing conduct of the US that didn't happen in their country. The courts in Iran are likely to consider the attack on the data center a legitimate act of war and not a tort; anyway good luck collecting against the US with a judgement from an Iranian court. Amazon might have a better time making a claim against Iran, in the court where the attacks took place, but good luck collecting a judgement. Maybe a case in the International Court of Justice, but those have to be submitted by a country and involved countries must consent. [1] https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title10/subtitleA/part4/chapter163&edition=prelim https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title10/sub... chapter section 2734 (b) (3) [2] see page 28 and 29 of https://www.congress.gov/crs_external_products/R/PDF/R45732/R45732.8.pdf https://www.congress.gov/crs_external_products/R/PDF/R45732/...

carefree-bob 1mo ago

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SmirkingRevenge 1mo ago
> You don't see the EU causing a war with Russia? Putin is launching and provoking wars, not the EU. > you will probably still blame America No, we would blame Putin, because he's the blameworthy party. As for Iran, Trump (and Trump voters by extension) is the blameworthy party. I don't even think any other R would have been dumb enough to go at Iran like this.
- carefree-bob 1mo ago
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anigbrowl 1mo ago
Poor Russia, forced to invade Ukraine! My heart bleeds for the Russian army, so cruelly dragged across the borders into another country and forced to fight its way out.
- carefree-bob 1mo ago
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