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A model detached from a harness, sure. But we routinely do add persistent memory to systems incorporating LLMs.
by vidarh 10d ago
A model detached from a harness, sure. But we routinely do add persistent memory to systems incorporating LLMs.
- dgellow 10d agoThey don’t have persistent memory though. Models are static, what you have is a model that will reprocess the whole series of prompts + some data fetched from a data store. A harness is just a while loop prompting an LLM and executing tool calls, but the model is purely static
- vidarh 10d agoThe model does not. The system it runs in can. My agents have persistent memory. It is not at all clear whether or the distinction that the long-term memory is external from the model matters.
- chrisjj 9d ago> My agents have persistent memory. So your disc drive likewise experiences emotions?
- vidarh 9d agoDoes your disc drive have the complexity of an LLM that shows behaviour consistent with having emotions? I'd consider that a prerequisite, but not sufficient, for that question to make sense.
- chrisjj 9d ago> Does your disc drive have the complexity of an LLM that shows behaviour consistent with having emotions? An LLM does not show behaviour consistent with having emotions. It's regurgitation of humans' written accounts of emotions is not "having emotions".
- vidarh 9d agoYour second sentence does not support the claim in your first sentence; it's merely a second unsupported claim. It is also entirely irrelevant to the argument. The threshold for behaviour consistent with having emotions (note: not behaviour sufficient to prove emotions) was one I purposefully set extremely low, because your comparison to a disk drive is so ludicrous, and yet your disc drive will still not clear it. Do you have an actual argument?
- chrisjj 9d agoMy disc drive, like your LLM, has persistent memory, does not have emotions. If your LLM "shows behaviour consistent with having emotions" beyond my disc drive delivering a PDF of poetry, let us please see the evidence.
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- staticman2 10d agoI think a harness isn't really a memory in the sense that neural networks have memories...
- vidarh 10d agoIt's different, but it is not at all clear whether or not that matters for the purposes of whether or not they can experience things, seeing as we don't know how to measure that even for other humans other than by relying on self-reporting to infer without other evidence that their experience matches ours.