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I don't know. Literally every single person I help with tech support makes me doubt this is possible. People do not care in the slightest and treat suggestions

I don't know. Literally every single person I help with tech support makes me doubt this is possible. People do not care in the slightest and treat suggestions to learn basic digital hygiene as if you've asked them to a computer science degree in its entirety. Even super basic stuff like remembering a single secure password instead of reusing the same 2 or 3 basic initials-dob-symbol permutations that were probably pwned 10 years ago seems insurmountable.

osmukka 17d ago
IMO in that case its their own fault. After all they have free will and can use it against their own good if they so choose. Let them get pwned a few times and see if they learn.
- diegolas 17d ago
  that's so dumb on so many levels... should we strip cars from active safety measures and let drivers who are not super good at driving just kill themselves on the road?
  - myaccountonhn 17d ago
    Maybe a drivers license should be needed to have a phone.
    - diegolas 16d ago
      maybe there should be alternatives to using the smartphone for everything, personal finances included. my bank stopped offering a home banking service for example (yes, of course the mobile app still sucks), and it's a trend.
  - preg_match 17d ago
    Well cars kill people, granny using the password “password” does not. We can’t prevent all levels of stupidity and carelessness. If people want to have dumb passwords and download malware, then so be it. You think they can’t do that today with the google play store? Of course they can. Most malware on android comes from the Google play store.
  - fauigerzigerk 17d ago
    I agree, but what I disagree with is the idea that everyone must be prevented from freely installing software on their own devices to make sure unskilled people cannot be tricked into doing it. I don't really understand why a well designed sandbox and permissions system doesn't solve the problem.
  - osmukka 13d ago
    Parent commenter's argument wasn't that people don't know to use good passwords, instead they just don't care. I think in that case getting hacked is completely one's own fault. If we're comparing this to cars, a closer analogy would be dying in a car crash because of an unfastened seatbelt.
chipsrafferty 17d ago
A shocking number of people have passwords like "shovel"
- gvurrdon 16d ago
  When assisting friends of elderly relatives I was surprised to see that one of them had managed to set up a password of "a1".

osmukka 17d ago

IMO in that case its their own fault. After all they have free will and can use it against their own good if they so choose. Let them get pwned a few times and see if they learn.

diegolas 17d ago
that's so dumb on so many levels... should we strip cars from active safety measures and let drivers who are not super good at driving just kill themselves on the road?
- myaccountonhn 17d ago
  Maybe a drivers license should be needed to have a phone.
  - diegolas 16d ago
    maybe there should be alternatives to using the smartphone for everything, personal finances included. my bank stopped offering a home banking service for example (yes, of course the mobile app still sucks), and it's a trend.
- preg_match 17d ago
  Well cars kill people, granny using the password “password” does not. We can’t prevent all levels of stupidity and carelessness. If people want to have dumb passwords and download malware, then so be it. You think they can’t do that today with the google play store? Of course they can. Most malware on android comes from the Google play store.
- fauigerzigerk 17d ago
  I agree, but what I disagree with is the idea that everyone must be prevented from freely installing software on their own devices to make sure unskilled people cannot be tricked into doing it. I don't really understand why a well designed sandbox and permissions system doesn't solve the problem.
- osmukka 13d ago
  Parent commenter's argument wasn't that people don't know to use good passwords, instead they just don't care. I think in that case getting hacked is completely one's own fault. If we're comparing this to cars, a closer analogy would be dying in a car crash because of an unfastened seatbelt.

chipsrafferty 17d ago

A shocking number of people have passwords like "shovel"

gvurrdon 16d ago
When assisting friends of elderly relatives I was surprised to see that one of them had managed to set up a password of "a1".