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> According to our analysis, the camera’s logs recorded about 21 days of activity across several periods. During those windows, the device photographed roughly

by petcat 10d ago

> According to our analysis, the camera’s logs recorded about 21 days of activity across several periods. During those windows, the device photographed roughly 50,200 vehicles and generated about 1.6 million images. On a typical day, it logged around 3,300 vehicles, with a high of 4,454. Has there been any report about which state this camera was recovered in? New Hampshire has a strict 3 minute rule for non-hit plate data before the captured images and records must be deleted [1]. [1] (N.H. Rev. Stat. § 261:75-b) requires ALPR systems to delete non-hit plate data within 3 minutes

Grimeton 10d ago
The images were deleted the moment they were uploaded. But the record in the log files persisted. The camera doesn't have enough memory to store that many data.
- tEem21 10d ago
  This does not seem to be the case. 404media's article includes extracted (redacted) images
- petcat 10d ago
  > The images were deleted the moment they were uploaded. ??? > VIII. Records of number plates read by each LPR shall not be recorded or transmitted anywhere and shall be purged from the system within 3 minutes of their capture [...] But you're saying that these non-hit image captures were uploaded somewhere?
  - Grimeton 10d ago
    - Camera takes picture - Camera pre-checks the picture for quality and that there's something on there that they want - Camera uploads picture to flock servers - Camera deletes picture locally - Rinse and repeat I could actually see this being done by three jobs in parallel. If there are a lot of images found on the camera then that's probably because the upload wasn't able to keep up with the amount of data that was created or they have a buffer of a few days or there's a cronjob that deletes these files every now and then... Unless they actually use the camera also as the storage, which would be really stupid, but sometimes people to stupid things.
    - petcat 10d ago
      It sounds like this whole thing is just in violation of New Hampshire state law.
      - Grimeton 10d ago
        IANAL. So that's something I cannot tell.
      - nonethewiser 9d ago
        But was this in New Hampshire? The retention policy is set by the customer.
hellon3wheels 10d ago
That same NH law perhaps more importantly limits ALPR use to law enforcement officers.
- tyrabound 10d ago
  Yes, only the unaccountable extra-judicial, legally immune low education, high domestic violence/divorce “law enforcement officers” should have access. It’s not like they would use it to stalk and surveil people … likes they have been caught doing all over and then get away with performative slaps on the wrist and get hired in the next jurisdiction down.
  - xp84 10d ago
    K. And cops also have guns, tear gas, the right to pull people over, arrest them, etc. etc. If they cannot be trusted with a licence plate database, then they can't really be trusted with those either. Are you advocating to just abolish police so that whoever is willing to use the most force can be in charge of everything? Like Mexico, but with less policing! Or to just remove all their weapons and legal powers so that they can just ask people to 'please stop doing crime'? Or just that we should only allow high-IQ college graduates to be cops? It sure doesn't seem like there are enough of those interested in that line of work. As it is, it already pays well, and yet I can hardly think of anyone I know who has even considered being a cop. I'm not trying to be obtuse here, but just asserting "police bad" doesn't seem like it even comes close to trying to solve any problems. (Before you ask me why i'm such a bootlicker, I'd just like to point out that the cops are the only reason we don't all have delicious cartel boots (or their bullets) in our mouths already.)
    - rc5150 10d ago
      "And cops also have guns, tear gas, the right to pull people over, arrest them, etc. etc. If they cannot be trusted with a licence plate database, then they can't really be trusted with those either." now you're getting it. "cops are the only reason we don't all have delicious cartel boots (or their bullets) in our mouths already" citation needed. And since you're looking for some solutions to these problems, here are a few: end qualified immunity, make peace officers obtain licensure and insurance so when the shitheads fuck up they are personally liable for their corruption, dissole internal affairs and move the investigations to a third party. In terms of reducing crime: tax the ever loving fuck out of anyone worth more than a million, dump those taxes into public services like education and healthcare so people aren't forced into deviance (further reading: https://www.simplypsychology.org/mertons-strain-theory-deviance.html https://www.simplypsychology.org/mertons-strain-theory-devia...)
nonethewiser 9d ago
The default retention policy is 7 days and the local customer (IE the police) can set it to whatever. I wonder what can be done within 3 minutes?

by petcat 10d ago

Grimeton 10d ago

The images were deleted the moment they were uploaded. But the record in the log files persisted. The camera doesn't have enough memory to store that many data.

tEem21 10d ago
This does not seem to be the case. 404media's article includes extracted (redacted) images
petcat 10d ago
> The images were deleted the moment they were uploaded. ??? > VIII. Records of number plates read by each LPR shall not be recorded or transmitted anywhere and shall be purged from the system within 3 minutes of their capture [...] But you're saying that these non-hit image captures were uploaded somewhere?
- Grimeton 10d ago
  - Camera takes picture - Camera pre-checks the picture for quality and that there's something on there that they want - Camera uploads picture to flock servers - Camera deletes picture locally - Rinse and repeat I could actually see this being done by three jobs in parallel. If there are a lot of images found on the camera then that's probably because the upload wasn't able to keep up with the amount of data that was created or they have a buffer of a few days or there's a cronjob that deletes these files every now and then... Unless they actually use the camera also as the storage, which would be really stupid, but sometimes people to stupid things.
  - petcat 10d ago
    It sounds like this whole thing is just in violation of New Hampshire state law.
    - Grimeton 10d ago
      IANAL. So that's something I cannot tell.
    - nonethewiser 9d ago
      But was this in New Hampshire? The retention policy is set by the customer.

hellon3wheels 10d ago

That same NH law perhaps more importantly limits ALPR use to law enforcement officers.

tyrabound 10d ago
Yes, only the unaccountable extra-judicial, legally immune low education, high domestic violence/divorce “law enforcement officers” should have access. It’s not like they would use it to stalk and surveil people … likes they have been caught doing all over and then get away with performative slaps on the wrist and get hired in the next jurisdiction down.
- xp84 10d ago
  K. And cops also have guns, tear gas, the right to pull people over, arrest them, etc. etc. If they cannot be trusted with a licence plate database, then they can't really be trusted with those either. Are you advocating to just abolish police so that whoever is willing to use the most force can be in charge of everything? Like Mexico, but with less policing! Or to just remove all their weapons and legal powers so that they can just ask people to 'please stop doing crime'? Or just that we should only allow high-IQ college graduates to be cops? It sure doesn't seem like there are enough of those interested in that line of work. As it is, it already pays well, and yet I can hardly think of anyone I know who has even considered being a cop. I'm not trying to be obtuse here, but just asserting "police bad" doesn't seem like it even comes close to trying to solve any problems. (Before you ask me why i'm such a bootlicker, I'd just like to point out that the cops are the only reason we don't all have delicious cartel boots (or their bullets) in our mouths already.)
  - rc5150 10d ago
    "And cops also have guns, tear gas, the right to pull people over, arrest them, etc. etc. If they cannot be trusted with a licence plate database, then they can't really be trusted with those either." now you're getting it. "cops are the only reason we don't all have delicious cartel boots (or their bullets) in our mouths already" citation needed. And since you're looking for some solutions to these problems, here are a few: end qualified immunity, make peace officers obtain licensure and insurance so when the shitheads fuck up they are personally liable for their corruption, dissole internal affairs and move the investigations to a third party. In terms of reducing crime: tax the ever loving fuck out of anyone worth more than a million, dump those taxes into public services like education and healthcare so people aren't forced into deviance (further reading: https://www.simplypsychology.org/mertons-strain-theory-deviance.html https://www.simplypsychology.org/mertons-strain-theory-devia...)

nonethewiser 9d ago

The default retention policy is 7 days and the local customer (IE the police) can set it to whatever. I wonder what can be done within 3 minutes?