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Doctor Who has been "woke" for a long time. I believe the 4th doctor discuss what pronouns to use for an alien. There have been several episodes essentially abo

Doctor Who has been "woke" for a long time. I believe the 4th doctor discuss what pronouns to use for an alien. There have been several episodes essentially about slavery in the 10th and 11th doctors runs. Also you should read about The Happiness Patrol, a 7th doctor episode

philipallstar 2mo ago
> I believe the 4th doctor discuss what pronouns to use for an alien. You believe it because you've memorised it for such a time as this, but it is not the same as woke "black is white if it feels it is" style feelings. > There have been several episodes essentially about slavery in the 10th and 11th doctors runs Being anti-slavery isn't woke. Thinking that changing the name of a git branch from "master" to "main" fights slavery is woke.
- voidUpdate 2mo ago
  Could you please define what you think "woke" means then? Because I'm working off the definition of "being aware of and attentive to social and political injustices, especially regarding race, gender, and inequality"
  - philipallstar 2mo ago
    I think you have to be completely in another universe to think that's all anyone means by that. Are you really so delusional about your own superiority that you think "anti-woke" just means anti those things? It's 2026 and there has been almost 10 years of woke excess. I don't think me explaining is going to do anything for you or to knock you off your high horse.
    - voidUpdate 2mo ago
      That's why I'm asking you what your definition of woke is, so that I can understand what it is about new doctor who that you don't like
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    - rcxdude 2mo ago
      That's pretty much the definition that the term started with (arguably it was a bit more general in some sense: just along the lines of 'politically aware and engaged'). It seems to have morphed, but I find that when it's used pejoratively there's not one fixed definition beyond 'I don't like it'.
      - philipallstar 2mo ago
        > That's pretty much the definition that the term started with No, it started as being aware of issues black Americans were facing. Then it got co-opted and contorted by the far left in America into all sorts of crazy issues.
        joshtynjala 2mo ago
        It got co-opted and contorted by the right in America. The right intentionally pretended that "woke" was an umbrella term for "all sorts of crazy issues" that it never was. The more "crazy issues" that they could add onto the pile the better, in order to make the word useless to the left. If anyone on the left continued to use "woke" intending its original meaning, those listening would associate their own thoughts about the extra unrelated issues, muddying the speaker's message.
        philipallstar 2mo ago
        It's good that the left has got to the point where they're disavowing woke[0], although they're only doing it to not plummet further into the depths of unpopularity, but to say it was never co-opted by the radical left in the first place is so breathtakingly untrue even they haven't done that. [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2026/08/18/opinion/woke-liberals-restitution.html https://www.nytimes.com/2026/08/18/opinion/woke-liberals-res...
        DonHopkins 2mo ago
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  - jimbokun 2mo ago
    What is the word for when those are the ONLY things you can see in the world, to the exclusion of any other factors?
    - krapp 2mo ago
      "strawman"
  - rsynnott 2mo ago
    Traditionally (in the modern pejorative sense), it means "things the speaker doesn't like", in much the same sense as "common sense" means "the speaker's opinions".
  - graemep 2mo ago
    It definitely is a lot more specific than that. It means, at the very least means having certain views on the causes of injustices, and on the policies required to fix them, and even on how one judges whether there has been an injustice in the first place.
rsynnott 2mo ago
Also, well, women in major non-romantic roles in the 1960s! I'm struggling to think of another major TV example of that from the time period, honestly.
graemep 2mo ago
> I believe the 4th doctor discuss what pronouns to use for an alien. An alien, not a human. > There have been several episodes essentially about slavery in the 10th and 11th doctors runs. Progressive in 1830 maybe. In the 21st century saying that slavery is bad thing is hardly revolutionary. > The Happiness Patrol, a 7th doctor episode A bit of left wing subtext and some caricature? So what? Very common at the time. Lots of comedians doing the same. Nothing like woke, not even a bit controversial.

philipallstar 2mo ago

> I believe the 4th doctor discuss what pronouns to use for an alien. You believe it because you've memorised it for such a time as this, but it is not the same as woke "black is white if it feels it is" style feelings. > There have been several episodes essentially about slavery in the 10th and 11th doctors runs Being anti-slavery isn't woke. Thinking that changing the name of a git branch from "master" to "main" fights slavery is woke.

voidUpdate 2mo ago
Could you please define what you think "woke" means then? Because I'm working off the definition of "being aware of and attentive to social and political injustices, especially regarding race, gender, and inequality"
- philipallstar 2mo ago
  I think you have to be completely in another universe to think that's all anyone means by that. Are you really so delusional about your own superiority that you think "anti-woke" just means anti those things? It's 2026 and there has been almost 10 years of woke excess. I don't think me explaining is going to do anything for you or to knock you off your high horse.
  - voidUpdate 2mo ago
    That's why I'm asking you what your definition of woke is, so that I can understand what it is about new doctor who that you don't like
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  - rcxdude 2mo ago
    That's pretty much the definition that the term started with (arguably it was a bit more general in some sense: just along the lines of 'politically aware and engaged'). It seems to have morphed, but I find that when it's used pejoratively there's not one fixed definition beyond 'I don't like it'.
    - philipallstar 2mo ago
      > That's pretty much the definition that the term started with No, it started as being aware of issues black Americans were facing. Then it got co-opted and contorted by the far left in America into all sorts of crazy issues.
      - joshtynjala 2mo ago
        It got co-opted and contorted by the right in America. The right intentionally pretended that "woke" was an umbrella term for "all sorts of crazy issues" that it never was. The more "crazy issues" that they could add onto the pile the better, in order to make the word useless to the left. If anyone on the left continued to use "woke" intending its original meaning, those listening would associate their own thoughts about the extra unrelated issues, muddying the speaker's message.
        philipallstar 2mo ago
        It's good that the left has got to the point where they're disavowing woke[0], although they're only doing it to not plummet further into the depths of unpopularity, but to say it was never co-opted by the radical left in the first place is so breathtakingly untrue even they haven't done that. [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2026/08/18/opinion/woke-liberals-restitution.html https://www.nytimes.com/2026/08/18/opinion/woke-liberals-res...
        DonHopkins 2mo ago
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- jimbokun 2mo ago
  What is the word for when those are the ONLY things you can see in the world, to the exclusion of any other factors?
  - krapp 2mo ago
    "strawman"
- rsynnott 2mo ago
  Traditionally (in the modern pejorative sense), it means "things the speaker doesn't like", in much the same sense as "common sense" means "the speaker's opinions".
- graemep 2mo ago
  It definitely is a lot more specific than that. It means, at the very least means having certain views on the causes of injustices, and on the policies required to fix them, and even on how one judges whether there has been an injustice in the first place.

rsynnott 2mo ago

Also, well, women in major non-romantic roles in the 1960s! I'm struggling to think of another major TV example of that from the time period, honestly.

graemep 2mo ago

> I believe the 4th doctor discuss what pronouns to use for an alien. An alien, not a human. > There have been several episodes essentially about slavery in the 10th and 11th doctors runs. Progressive in 1830 maybe. In the 21st century saying that slavery is bad thing is hardly revolutionary. > The Happiness Patrol, a 7th doctor episode A bit of left wing subtext and some caricature? So what? Very common at the time. Lots of comedians doing the same. Nothing like woke, not even a bit controversial.