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This is was about immigration. I don’t understand why people are still in denial about this. I am pretty sure it would have happened anyway regardless of what e
by theplumber 19d ago
This is was about immigration. I don’t understand why people are still in denial about this. I am pretty sure it would have happened anyway regardless of what economic concessions UK would have got. It’s worth to note that the immigration is still an issue in the UK and the EU and I think more EU members will leave because of this.
- fidotron 19d agoExactly. And, let's face it, democracy. Either the people in the UK wanted freedom of movement or they didn't, and they voted on that basis. People don't exactly feel they agreed to the Boriswave either, and now when I am back visiting the UK it's noticeably the most racist it's ever been, by a very significant distance. I'm in Canada now and Canada has the same dynamics going on.
- nutjob2 19d ago> Exactly. And, let's face it, democracy. Either the people in the UK wanted freedom of movement or they didn't, and they voted on that basis. It was neither. They wanted freedom of movement that was only one way. In fact they didn't know what they wanted because they were sold a bill of goods when it came to Brexit.
- gizajob 19d agoI think this is what will kill it in Canada too. There’s maybe only a million Canadian citizens who would be interested in the idea of freedom of movement to Europe. There’s probably 10-20 million Canadian citizens who would be a hard “absolutely no way” to opening their borders to 250 million random Europeans in return.
- bryanlarsen 19d ago44% of Canadians support re-opening immigration; I'm willing to bet that a larger number would support immigration from EU nations.
- gizajob 19d agoSo you’re saying 56% of Canadians would vote No?
- bryanlarsen 19d ago> I'm willing to bet that a larger number would support immigration from EU nations. Especially if it was a reciprocal right.
- fidotron 19d agoIf it involved being able to leave Canada in perpetuity without an exit tax, which would open the floodgates in a most unintentional way.
- theplumber 18d agoYeah but you have to wonder why the EU nations themselves are not very happy with the EU immigration. One part of the answer is that some are more open to out of EU immigration than others. A while ago that was Germany who got 1 million plus of refugees and economic immigrants from Syria , Afghanistan and other non European countries. Now it seems that Spain is that willing to take immigrants and of course also provide them citizenship after 3-5 years. So you may end up with a disproportionate amount of immigrants that come from Europe but are not really European in terms of looks and behaviour. I really fail to see how EU will continue unless far right wins all over Europe and a common restrictive immigration policy is agreed.
- gizajob 18d agoGive it another ten to twenty years and the far right will be in control all across Europe. Ugly, but the blame for this happening will be entirely at the EU’s door.
- theplumber 16d agoI never understood this blame on EU as an external entity. If far right wins in most member states then EU itself becomes far right. The EU is MPs elected by the EU people directly and council members which are heads of state elected as well in most countries.
- teamonkey 19d agoIt was about money. People were poor, wages had hardly grown after years of austerity following the 2008 crash. A huge campaign pointed the finger squarely at the EU: they are taking our money, they are the reason you’re poor, you would be richer without them. People believed them.
- theplumber 18d agoI have seen it differently. I’ve seen it about immigration, the party driving it being UK Immigration Party. Boris “party” put some economic spin on it but it was fuelled by immigration.
- teamonkey 17d agoYou mean the UK Independence Party?