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Yeah, I'm curious about which ones are a problem. I could see there being some incompatibility, and the details are more interesting than sweeping statements.

by Autious 19d ago

Yeah, I'm curious about which ones are a problem. I could see there being some incompatibility, and the details are more interesting than sweeping statements. Some regulations would have to be normalized and agreed upon between the countries for trade open up. Can't have different quality standards and ways of evaluating and declaring them.

nonethewiser 19d ago
PPWR is an obvious one. Its such a dysfunctional law that they actually told people to ignore it.
- mitxela 19d ago
  Programmers keep thinking law is if/then, it's not, it's a set of instructions to judges, which may contain obvious errors or conflict with other instructions, which is why we allow humans to interpret them instead of computers.
  - nonethewiser 19d ago
    Do you grant that there are poorly written laws? Are you defending PPWR? Not in spirit but actual implementation? It will never get so-far as the judge because the EU has already admitted the law cant be followed and arent going to be taking people to court over it. Regardless of the intent, it's an abject failure.
fidotron 19d ago
Welcome to Canada where the regulations are in fact provincial. Canadian provinces have a harder time trading with each other than countries in the EU, although thanks to the sales tax and package transit changes the EU is becoming competitive in this area.
- bryanlarsen 19d ago
  Provincial trade barriers basically only exist in two areas: liquor and labor licensing.
graemep 19d ago
One I have actually dealt with was VATMOSS. Especially when first introduced it had very low ceilings for registration and actually deterred small businesses from trading across borders. I also think GDPR is too strict for small businesses and non-profits and not strict enough to deal with big businesses that trade data.
- jeltz 19d ago
  Having health with VATMOSS too my experience is that it was trivial to implement. Maybe your country fucked up the rollout? Here in Sweden I had zero issues.
  - graemep 19d ago
    Its not the country, its the implementation cost for small businesses. In particular the ceiling for registration was so low that even micro-businesses with minimal cross border sales had to comply. Its would have been trivial for a big business, but it was not for small businesses.
- fc417fc802 19d ago
  > too strict for small businesses and non-profits Maybe just calibrated poorly. Small enough and IMO the only important rule is no sharing with others. That should always be strictly enforced. But why worry about how some small timer handles my personal data or if I can make various requests of him? The stakes are too small to matter.
neom 19d ago
...Those cookie banner things for a start!! heh. ;) Mostly just wouldn't really work because Ottawa would have to somehow represent the provinces to the EU and the provinces and Ottawa don't work together in a way that would be compatible, I don't think anyone in Canada would want to change how Ottawa works with them. We may also end up in the same position again as we have with the Americans, nobody but us likes our supply management system[1]. GDPR is also something I think Canadians would struggle to get behind, our PIPEDA framework is quite good and I think most folks approve of it (except Quebec, who have their own framework). Taking the Euro would be a problem, etc etc, I think I could probably build quite a big list. btw, I respect the EU regulation, and that Europeans quite like it, I was just saying I don't think it would be practical for us to re-work the whole country to accommodate them, that's all. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dairy_and_poultry_supply_management_in_Canada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dairy_and_poultry_supply_manag...
Jackpillar 19d ago
You're on a tech-focused Silicon Valley based news forum. Most people here think if you're not carte blanche allowing your Ai companies unfettered hyperscale economy-threatening death spiral infrastructure investments for a nebulous end goal that benefits a small minority with undertones of civilizational collapse and mass unemployment then you're a over-regulatory nanny-state that is crushing innovation.

by Autious 19d ago

nonethewiser 19d ago

PPWR is an obvious one. Its such a dysfunctional law that they actually told people to ignore it.

mitxela 19d ago
Programmers keep thinking law is if/then, it's not, it's a set of instructions to judges, which may contain obvious errors or conflict with other instructions, which is why we allow humans to interpret them instead of computers.
- nonethewiser 19d ago
  Do you grant that there are poorly written laws? Are you defending PPWR? Not in spirit but actual implementation? It will never get so-far as the judge because the EU has already admitted the law cant be followed and arent going to be taking people to court over it. Regardless of the intent, it's an abject failure.

fidotron 19d ago

Welcome to Canada where the regulations are in fact provincial. Canadian provinces have a harder time trading with each other than countries in the EU, although thanks to the sales tax and package transit changes the EU is becoming competitive in this area.

bryanlarsen 19d ago
Provincial trade barriers basically only exist in two areas: liquor and labor licensing.

graemep 19d ago

One I have actually dealt with was VATMOSS. Especially when first introduced it had very low ceilings for registration and actually deterred small businesses from trading across borders. I also think GDPR is too strict for small businesses and non-profits and not strict enough to deal with big businesses that trade data.

jeltz 19d ago
Having health with VATMOSS too my experience is that it was trivial to implement. Maybe your country fucked up the rollout? Here in Sweden I had zero issues.
- graemep 19d ago
  Its not the country, its the implementation cost for small businesses. In particular the ceiling for registration was so low that even micro-businesses with minimal cross border sales had to comply. Its would have been trivial for a big business, but it was not for small businesses.
fc417fc802 19d ago
> too strict for small businesses and non-profits Maybe just calibrated poorly. Small enough and IMO the only important rule is no sharing with others. That should always be strictly enforced. But why worry about how some small timer handles my personal data or if I can make various requests of him? The stakes are too small to matter.

neom 19d ago

...Those cookie banner things for a start!! heh. ;) Mostly just wouldn't really work because Ottawa would have to somehow represent the provinces to the EU and the provinces and Ottawa don't work together in a way that would be compatible, I don't think anyone in Canada would want to change how Ottawa works with them. We may also end up in the same position again as we have with the Americans, nobody but us likes our supply management system[1]. GDPR is also something I think Canadians would struggle to get behind, our PIPEDA framework is quite good and I think most folks approve of it (except Quebec, who have their own framework). Taking the Euro would be a problem, etc etc, I think I could probably build quite a big list. btw, I respect the EU regulation, and that Europeans quite like it, I was just saying I don't think it would be practical for us to re-work the whole country to accommodate them, that's all. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dairy_and_poultry_supply_management_in_Canada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dairy_and_poultry_supply_manag...

Jackpillar 19d ago

You're on a tech-focused Silicon Valley based news forum. Most people here think if you're not carte blanche allowing your Ai companies unfettered hyperscale economy-threatening death spiral infrastructure investments for a nebulous end goal that benefits a small minority with undertones of civilizational collapse and mass unemployment then you're a over-regulatory nanny-state that is crushing innovation.