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Would it not make sense to perhaps invite the UK to be an associate member first? We’re right on the doorstep.

by gizajob 1mo ago

Tomte 1mo ago
You don‘t want to have any level of association with us, as you‘ve made clear repeatedly over many years, involving many insults. Don‘t expect the EU to actively offer anything again. Do the first step (after getting a clear view what proportion of your population actually wants that). The United Kingdom would be a great member, as you had been. But that ship has politically sailed.
- gizajob 1mo ago
  The way you paint it sounds like the EU is a hardline communist state where dissent and even insult must be punished. Why does Canada get a free pass to pleasantries just because the Canadians haven’t had a chance to insult the EU and its federalist technocrats yet?
  - hardbass 1mo ago
    You seem extremely confused. Why do you want your ex partner to treat you nicely when you yourself stated you hate them? Do you want to force a relationship again despite the other party not wanting you or even you yourself wanting it? You seem completely incoherent and absurd. Make up your mind whether you want to join a voluntary membership organization or not.
    - gizajob 1mo ago
      The main confusion here is your use of unsuitable metaphor - people choosing that a political bloc is not behaving in a way that they believe represents their interests is in no way analogous to an abusive partner beating his/her significant other, and it is pretty addled to even make that comparison. Yet paradoxically sensible, because it demonstrates why the political process stalled as that framing really is what is in the minds of the EU bureaucrats towards the UK now. You’re also overlooking that 49% of the voters in the UK voted to stay in the EU.
      - hardbass 1mo ago
        Your country chose to divorce of its own will, the EU didn't kick you out. It is not a forcible organization like being a citizen in a country, its completely voluntary. So why the hell are you whining about the EU ignoring you when you yourself divorced from it. Nobody is stopping you from insulting or hating anyone you want. What is absurd to then also want to force them to interact with you and then this absurd heisen stuff of leaving them and then complaining they don't want you in when there is nothing stopping you from making the request to be let in. You should make up your mind, why should the EU have to give you an invite when you were the one who left it and now you want to join/not-join. I think if the EU sent a request and the mood in your populace was anti eu then it would worsen not improve relations for example. The homework is on the UK to measure if it's population wants to join the EU or not before making any requests. If you want to join, say it clearly and put a vote in the UK, or if you don't want to join then make it clear, otherwise it doesn't make sense t be complaining about the EU not wishing to entertain your unstated requests.
        user43928 1mo ago
        I find your tone inappropriate for this website. I suggest you don't participate if you cannot discuss calmly the opinion that the EU should be more inviting towards the UK, even if you consider the opinion absurd.
        hardbass 1mo ago
        How can EU be the one expected to be inviting when they didn't kick the UK out in the first place? The UK is the one that left on its own. The EU doesn't have to do anything, I think they are quite open to the UK or anyone else in the continent joining. I just find it absurd a British person is complaining without the UK first doing the homework and showing joining EU is something tenable from their side via an internal vote about joining. If you want a disclaimer, I am neither european nor british if that matters. From outside the situation seems very clear to me.
        gizajob 1mo ago
  - pibaker 1mo ago
    If you have a kid who ask you for a toy and you give him, and then he throws a tantrum and smashes the toy on the floor, you don't just pretend nothing happened and buy him the same toy again. Why? Because what you are teaching him is he can throw as many tantrums he wants and face no consequences. It gets worse if you have other kids — if he can throw a tantrum and get away with it, why not me too? He can have that toy again, but not before he learns the lesson and knows his place. Not communism, just cold hard game theory. Sorry your feelings got hurt.
    - gizajob 1mo ago
      You’re projecting about my feelings. It seems a strange paradox that associate membership is on the table for Canada when it was a hard no to any idea like that where it came to the UK. As hard as the Brexit was, the EU refused to budge and the UK offered to be either in or out. Now Canada is offered to be half in.
      - hardbass 1mo ago
        Canada starts neutral. UK starts anti. Very easy.
      - optionalsquid 1mo ago
        Putting aside whether or not being an "associate member" counts as being "half in" the EU, of which there were already examples during Brexit, it should not be forgotten that the UK did not want to be "half in" the EU. The people who wanted to remain in the EU probably did want to stay "half in", but they did not set the agenda, so what the UK got was a hard exit
  - Mashimo 1mo ago
    What is communist about it?
    - gizajob 1mo ago
      Ok, Soviet.
      - Mashimo 1mo ago
        I don't get it.
hardbass 1mo ago
If your country initiated a divorce, it makes no sense for the other party to invite you again. You should have to request first and show to them eg with a vote you won't again flake out in a few years.
ben_w 1mo ago
The UK will likely be welcome back right after everyone's confident Leave (be that Tory, Farage, or whoever the even worse party that Musk now supports are) definitely won't win a general election for at least another generation.
- gizajob 1mo ago
  Well the issue there then is that Farage’s Reform party seem likely to win that election. The current ostensibly-left-wing Labour government also have absolutely no appetite for rejoining either. Even the coalition of anti-growth eco-warriors and islamists which is the contemporary Green Party don’t say much which is a real surprise because it seems like such an easy vote-winner for them. Finally, it seems strange that the EU should pretty-well require the governments of its potential members to be left-wing or centrist, especially as this demand is now causing constituents of the EU to start to swing to the hard right too.
  - hardbass 1mo ago
    Far right wing and nationalism caused two world wars in european soil. May or may not be related. And right wing parties themselves generally hate the EU, so nobody is asking for it anyways.
    - gizajob 1mo ago
      So it seems likely that the EU will be the cause of the third one.
      - hardbass 1mo ago
        How will a voluntary organization with no military force cause a world war,.while actual physical war is being waged by Russia right in its neighborhood? Tell me immediately and bluntly in full the mechanism of EU causing a world war right now, otherwise back off that absurd statement.
        1mo ago

Would it not make sense to perhaps invite the UK to be an associate member first? We’re right on the doorstep.

by gizajob 1mo ago

Would it not make sense to perhaps invite the UK to be an associate member first? We’re right on the doorstep.

Tomte 1mo ago

You don‘t want to have any level of association with us, as you‘ve made clear repeatedly over many years, involving many insults. Don‘t expect the EU to actively offer anything again. Do the first step (after getting a clear view what proportion of your population actually wants that). The United Kingdom would be a great member, as you had been. But that ship has politically sailed.

gizajob 1mo ago
The way you paint it sounds like the EU is a hardline communist state where dissent and even insult must be punished. Why does Canada get a free pass to pleasantries just because the Canadians haven’t had a chance to insult the EU and its federalist technocrats yet?
- hardbass 1mo ago
  You seem extremely confused. Why do you want your ex partner to treat you nicely when you yourself stated you hate them? Do you want to force a relationship again despite the other party not wanting you or even you yourself wanting it? You seem completely incoherent and absurd. Make up your mind whether you want to join a voluntary membership organization or not.
  - gizajob 1mo ago
    The main confusion here is your use of unsuitable metaphor - people choosing that a political bloc is not behaving in a way that they believe represents their interests is in no way analogous to an abusive partner beating his/her significant other, and it is pretty addled to even make that comparison. Yet paradoxically sensible, because it demonstrates why the political process stalled as that framing really is what is in the minds of the EU bureaucrats towards the UK now. You’re also overlooking that 49% of the voters in the UK voted to stay in the EU.
    - hardbass 1mo ago
      Your country chose to divorce of its own will, the EU didn't kick you out. It is not a forcible organization like being a citizen in a country, its completely voluntary. So why the hell are you whining about the EU ignoring you when you yourself divorced from it. Nobody is stopping you from insulting or hating anyone you want. What is absurd to then also want to force them to interact with you and then this absurd heisen stuff of leaving them and then complaining they don't want you in when there is nothing stopping you from making the request to be let in. You should make up your mind, why should the EU have to give you an invite when you were the one who left it and now you want to join/not-join. I think if the EU sent a request and the mood in your populace was anti eu then it would worsen not improve relations for example. The homework is on the UK to measure if it's population wants to join the EU or not before making any requests. If you want to join, say it clearly and put a vote in the UK, or if you don't want to join then make it clear, otherwise it doesn't make sense t be complaining about the EU not wishing to entertain your unstated requests.
      - user43928 1mo ago
        I find your tone inappropriate for this website. I suggest you don't participate if you cannot discuss calmly the opinion that the EU should be more inviting towards the UK, even if you consider the opinion absurd.
        hardbass 1mo ago
        How can EU be the one expected to be inviting when they didn't kick the UK out in the first place? The UK is the one that left on its own. The EU doesn't have to do anything, I think they are quite open to the UK or anyone else in the continent joining. I just find it absurd a British person is complaining without the UK first doing the homework and showing joining EU is something tenable from their side via an internal vote about joining. If you want a disclaimer, I am neither european nor british if that matters. From outside the situation seems very clear to me.
        gizajob 1mo ago
- pibaker 1mo ago
  If you have a kid who ask you for a toy and you give him, and then he throws a tantrum and smashes the toy on the floor, you don't just pretend nothing happened and buy him the same toy again. Why? Because what you are teaching him is he can throw as many tantrums he wants and face no consequences. It gets worse if you have other kids — if he can throw a tantrum and get away with it, why not me too? He can have that toy again, but not before he learns the lesson and knows his place. Not communism, just cold hard game theory. Sorry your feelings got hurt.
  - gizajob 1mo ago
    You’re projecting about my feelings. It seems a strange paradox that associate membership is on the table for Canada when it was a hard no to any idea like that where it came to the UK. As hard as the Brexit was, the EU refused to budge and the UK offered to be either in or out. Now Canada is offered to be half in.
    - hardbass 1mo ago
      Canada starts neutral. UK starts anti. Very easy.
    - optionalsquid 1mo ago
      Putting aside whether or not being an "associate member" counts as being "half in" the EU, of which there were already examples during Brexit, it should not be forgotten that the UK did not want to be "half in" the EU. The people who wanted to remain in the EU probably did want to stay "half in", but they did not set the agenda, so what the UK got was a hard exit
- Mashimo 1mo ago
  What is communist about it?
  - gizajob 1mo ago
    Ok, Soviet.
    - Mashimo 1mo ago
      I don't get it.

hardbass 1mo ago

If your country initiated a divorce, it makes no sense for the other party to invite you again. You should have to request first and show to them eg with a vote you won't again flake out in a few years.

ben_w 1mo ago

The UK will likely be welcome back right after everyone's confident Leave (be that Tory, Farage, or whoever the even worse party that Musk now supports are) definitely won't win a general election for at least another generation.

gizajob 1mo ago
Well the issue there then is that Farage’s Reform party seem likely to win that election. The current ostensibly-left-wing Labour government also have absolutely no appetite for rejoining either. Even the coalition of anti-growth eco-warriors and islamists which is the contemporary Green Party don’t say much which is a real surprise because it seems like such an easy vote-winner for them. Finally, it seems strange that the EU should pretty-well require the governments of its potential members to be left-wing or centrist, especially as this demand is now causing constituents of the EU to start to swing to the hard right too.
- hardbass 1mo ago
  Far right wing and nationalism caused two world wars in european soil. May or may not be related. And right wing parties themselves generally hate the EU, so nobody is asking for it anyways.
  - gizajob 1mo ago
    So it seems likely that the EU will be the cause of the third one.
    - hardbass 1mo ago
      How will a voluntary organization with no military force cause a world war,.while actual physical war is being waged by Russia right in its neighborhood? Tell me immediately and bluntly in full the mechanism of EU causing a world war right now, otherwise back off that absurd statement.
      - 1mo ago