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As stated by Carney, this is not exactly true, but something like this has been expected. From a legal and sovereignty standpoint, EU membership of any kind doe
by ocd 10d ago
As stated by Carney, this is not exactly true, but something like this has been expected. From a legal and sovereignty standpoint, EU membership of any kind does not make sense. A novel bloc of nations centered around military and economic cooperation that includes the EU and Canada however, does.
- gizajob 10d agoIt certainly does not make sense seeing as Canada is not in Europe.
- ocd 10d agoMostly a semantic concern in the name given the shared interests and concerns both have in a number of things including the Arctic. It's more a "North Atlantic" group of nations view both sides seem to be taking, but you know, without the US.
- gizajob 10d agoAnd a fairly serious geographical one.
- dcminter 10d agoThe Eurovision song contest includes Australia in its member nations. Mindblowing I know, but it's possible for a thing to transcend its name.
- vrganj 10d agoOne could argue that it is European by founding and history though. Founded by Europeans, still mostly populated by people of European ancestry, with laws written by Europeans and based on European ideas. European isn't just a geographic descriptor :-)
- ocd 10d agoI suppose. America is a much more mixed bag, while Canada at its core is still British, Scottish, and French. Enough cities have a certain sterile and organized appearance more common in Europe than the US. Not sure how else I'd describe it, but maybe Canada is a bit more "monolithic"?
- david-gpu 10d ago> Canada at its core is still British, Scottish, and French Have you been to Canada any time in the past few decades? Around half of the population of Toronto, Canada's largest city, is foreign-born. And I promise you it is not predominantly British or French people.
- ocd 10d agoYes, I'm from here. Toronto is not a reflection of an entire country, and I would not compare Manhattan or a foreign military base as representative of the rest of another country either.
- david-gpu 10d agoHere are two quotes from Statistics Canada, to provide some food for thought. "In 2021, more than 8.3 million people, or almost one-quarter (23.0%) of the population, were, or had ever been, a landed immigrant or permanent resident in Canada. [...] Just under 6.4 million people born in Canada had at least one foreign-born parent in 2021, representing 17.6% of the total population" [0] In other words, as of 2021, about 41% of the population were either foreign-born or had at least one foreign-born parent. In large cities where most people live, it is even higher. And the future does not look any more British or French, either. "In 2024, more than two in five newborns (42.3%) in Canada had a foreign-born mother (i.e., a mother who was born outside Canada), a proportion that has nearly doubled in just over a quarter of a century (22.5% in 1997)." [1] "According to Statistics Canada's recent population projections, immigrants could represent from 29.1% to 34.0% of the total population by 2041." [0] [0] https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/221026/dq221026a-eng.htm https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/221026/dq221... [1] https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/91f0015m/91f0015m2025004-eng.htm https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/91f0015m/91f0015m2025004...
- gizajob 10d agoYou could argue even more effectively that it was British by founding and a British colony, with a big influence from the French. And we know what happened with Britain and the EU.
- vrganj 10d agoBritain, too, is European. They were even a part of the EU at one point ;)
- croon 10d ago20 NATO members share no border with the Atlantic, and 5 are entirely landlocked.
- david-gpu 10d agoPortugal is not part of the Benelux. Poland is not part of the Western Union. Ireland is an island. Yet here we are, because we have enough in common that we would rather cooperate than compete.
- s_dev 10d agoFrench Guiana is a fully integrated member of the European Union and is in South America.
- gizajob 10d agoBecause it’s a fully integrated part of France.
- joquarky 10d agoThere's a big company named after a fruit that doesn't sell any fruit at all.
- DemocracyFTW2 9d ago1) what everyone else replied; but also 2) where do you think Europe is? You're probably wrong, cf. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europa#/media/Datei:Mitglieder_in_Europaeischen_Organisationen.svg https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europa#/media/Datei:Mitglieder...
- nutjob2 10d agoI think there is a lot of value there for other advanced economies in Asia, namely Japan, Korea, Taiwan and Aus/NZ. With the US self-destructing these countries need a new plan. They are routinely being pushed around by China and need a counterweight.
- vrganj 10d agoWho knows, maybe after all the doom and gloom the EU might just win by default because the other world powers have become so unattractive the rest of the world rallies around them?
- nolok 10d agoWhen everyone goes crazy, a boring place that respect the law and fair exchanges feels much more welcoming.
- nolok 10d agoAnd it's not even "novel" in the sense that this group already exist, except so far it was gravitating around the US, and it might just reorient to gravitate around someone else.