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> They feel really cheap and flimsy inside, definitely not an 80 grand car. The 80k cars were the early M3 performance I guess? The only one I see selling for

by plqbfbv 11d ago

> They feel really cheap and flimsy inside, definitely not an 80 grand car. The 80k cars were the early M3 performance I guess? The only one I see selling for ~80k now is the Cyber Truck, which I agree was a fail but for other reasons. If you look at any other recent/modern car, ICE or EV, you'll find few brands have kept the "quality" interior that was characteristic of premium cars in ~2010 (yes, even German brands). > I don't like the gigantic screen in the middle. I don't want any kind of lit-up screen in my car, for anything. I understand the take, but since it's basically a must-have nowadays, I'd rather get the big high-res integrated Tesla experience rather than the Android Car / Apple CarPlay cheap mess. Consider that if you think it's a distraction for night-driving, Tesla will automatically switch to dark mode at sunset, and I've never had any trouble so far driving even on very dark roads. The brightest I've seen the screen at night is still way darker than my wife unlocking the mobile phone.

ErroneousBosh 10d ago
> If you look at any other recent/modern car, ICE or EV, you'll find few brands have kept the "quality" interior that was characteristic of premium cars in ~2010 (yes, even German brands). Teslas are sub-Dacia build quality. I know that US-market cars are kind of built down to a price point and therefore generally lower-quality to begin with, but that won't fly over here if you price yourself the same as something like a mid-spec VW. > I understand the take, but since it's basically a must-have nowadays Why is it a "must-have"? There is literally nothing I want to look at on a screen in a car, ever.
- plqbfbv 10d ago
  > Teslas are sub-Dacia build quality. I know that US-market cars are kind of built down to a price point and therefore generally lower-quality to begin with, but that won't fly over here if you price yourself the same as something like a mid-spec VW. This sounds like another early M3 frequent complaint. I've had exactly 1 issue under warranty for my M3 2019, have recommended it to friends that are also very happy with theirs (I also live in the EU). My cousin leased a mid-spec VW, and I heard more complaints from him in 2 years than I've heard from the 6+ Tesla owners I know the past 8 years. So, again, german brands are not really indicative of quality anymore. And Tesla offers better features, performance and UX for the same price anyway (and a few other EV brands, but those cost more). > Why is it a "must-have"? There is literally nothing I want to look at on a screen in a car, ever. Because it provides a lot of useful information? Above all I like having the integrated navigator without having to attach a mobile or TomTom to my windshield (which can move and fall). Also because if I do that, then I might get useless notifications and have them at eye-level, which is more distracting than a purpose-placed screen. Same reason I hate Android Auto / Apple CarPlay. Perhaps you always move around in your area and know exactly where to go, but I often go to new places and I'd rather have the integrated navigator than a flimsy windshield phone holder (or even worse, people that drive by looking down at their phones every now and then). Besides navigation, I can change the car settings and functionality easily with an intuitive UI that includes help, rather than having 200 buttons I don't remember the symbols and states of.

by plqbfbv 11d ago

ErroneousBosh 10d ago

> If you look at any other recent/modern car, ICE or EV, you'll find few brands have kept the "quality" interior that was characteristic of premium cars in ~2010 (yes, even German brands). Teslas are sub-Dacia build quality. I know that US-market cars are kind of built down to a price point and therefore generally lower-quality to begin with, but that won't fly over here if you price yourself the same as something like a mid-spec VW. > I understand the take, but since it's basically a must-have nowadays Why is it a "must-have"? There is literally nothing I want to look at on a screen in a car, ever.

plqbfbv 10d ago
> Teslas are sub-Dacia build quality. I know that US-market cars are kind of built down to a price point and therefore generally lower-quality to begin with, but that won't fly over here if you price yourself the same as something like a mid-spec VW. This sounds like another early M3 frequent complaint. I've had exactly 1 issue under warranty for my M3 2019, have recommended it to friends that are also very happy with theirs (I also live in the EU). My cousin leased a mid-spec VW, and I heard more complaints from him in 2 years than I've heard from the 6+ Tesla owners I know the past 8 years. So, again, german brands are not really indicative of quality anymore. And Tesla offers better features, performance and UX for the same price anyway (and a few other EV brands, but those cost more). > Why is it a "must-have"? There is literally nothing I want to look at on a screen in a car, ever. Because it provides a lot of useful information? Above all I like having the integrated navigator without having to attach a mobile or TomTom to my windshield (which can move and fall). Also because if I do that, then I might get useless notifications and have them at eye-level, which is more distracting than a purpose-placed screen. Same reason I hate Android Auto / Apple CarPlay. Perhaps you always move around in your area and know exactly where to go, but I often go to new places and I'd rather have the integrated navigator than a flimsy windshield phone holder (or even worse, people that drive by looking down at their phones every now and then). Besides navigation, I can change the car settings and functionality easily with an intuitive UI that includes help, rather than having 200 buttons I don't remember the symbols and states of.