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I think that'd raise serious copyright concerns, if the Wayback machine started selling other people's intellectual property.

by KPGv2 19d ago

roblh 19d ago
Shouldn’t it follow that it’s illegal for the AI labs to profit off of all of that stolen copyrighted data too?
- deleted 19d ago
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- Joel_Mckay 19d ago
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- mitxela 18d ago
  It should, but it doesn't.
- KPGv2 14d ago
  no. The topic at hand is distribution of copyrighted material, and you're talking about reproduction and possibly preparation of a derivative work. At last in the USA, copyright law defines specific things copyright owners have exclusive rights to: - reproduction - preparation of derivative works - distribution of copies to the public - public performance - public display The most immediate issue with AI companies is whether they've made infringing reproductions. The other possibility is the preparation of derivative works: does an AI response count as derivative of something it's consumed? Sorry I'm not going to do the analysis for you, though. I'm no longer a bright, chipper IP law scholar.
jMyles 19d ago
It's time for copyright to end anyhow; that's what's gumming up the whole project in the first place.
- autoexec 19d ago
  I'd have a lot less of a problem with AI if everything that went into their training was public domain and made easily available to anyone for any use. It'd feel less like AI companies were just stealing the work of others and charging for it.
  - jMyles 19d ago
    Seems like a reasonable norm: * If you train AI on it, you have to afford public access to it. * Nobody can exact violence against anybody else in response to that person providing public access to any data anymore (ie, all bytestrings are public domain). That's the world I'd like to try in the coming years.
autoexec 19d ago
They wouldn't be paying for the content, just the bandwidth. Like buying a linux OS on a CD ROM was about the cost of media not profiting off of the software.
0xDEAFBEAD 19d ago
Isn't that already a big part of reddit's business model?

I think that'd raise serious copyright concerns, if the Wayback machine started selling other people's intellectual property.

by KPGv2 19d ago

I think that'd raise serious copyright concerns, if the Wayback machine started selling other people's intellectual property.

roblh 19d ago

Shouldn’t it follow that it’s illegal for the AI labs to profit off of all of that stolen copyrighted data too?

deleted 19d ago
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Joel_Mckay 19d ago
[flagged]
mitxela 18d ago
It should, but it doesn't.
KPGv2 14d ago
no. The topic at hand is distribution of copyrighted material, and you're talking about reproduction and possibly preparation of a derivative work. At last in the USA, copyright law defines specific things copyright owners have exclusive rights to: - reproduction - preparation of derivative works - distribution of copies to the public - public performance - public display The most immediate issue with AI companies is whether they've made infringing reproductions. The other possibility is the preparation of derivative works: does an AI response count as derivative of something it's consumed? Sorry I'm not going to do the analysis for you, though. I'm no longer a bright, chipper IP law scholar.

jMyles 19d ago

It's time for copyright to end anyhow; that's what's gumming up the whole project in the first place.

autoexec 19d ago
I'd have a lot less of a problem with AI if everything that went into their training was public domain and made easily available to anyone for any use. It'd feel less like AI companies were just stealing the work of others and charging for it.
- jMyles 19d ago
  Seems like a reasonable norm: * If you train AI on it, you have to afford public access to it. * Nobody can exact violence against anybody else in response to that person providing public access to any data anymore (ie, all bytestrings are public domain). That's the world I'd like to try in the coming years.

autoexec 19d ago

They wouldn't be paying for the content, just the bandwidth. Like buying a linux OS on a CD ROM was about the cost of media not profiting off of the software.

0xDEAFBEAD 19d ago

Isn't that already a big part of reddit's business model?