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Disappointing. I'll need to find an alternative. I was hellbent on leaving google so I didn't care where I went.

• aryonoco 11d ago
  Moved from Proton to Fastmail a couple of years ago and couldn’t be happier.
  • 3stacks 10d ago
    I also made this switch a year ago, in part because I'm Australian and so is Fastmail. I miss some of the Proton bells and whistles, and my visionary plan had some great inclusions, but Fastmail is great. I just use the web app on my graphene phone and it works fine
    • protocolture 10d ago
      >because I'm Australian and so is Fastmail. That seems like the worst reason to use a product. If I had the funds for a non free mail host, I would choose one thats not going to be easy to target with a TCN or TAN.
      • Grombobulous 10d ago
        Mail just isn’t something that’s built in a way that it can be a private service. I think most people should choose a provider based on price and features. Yes, it’s nice that if everyone you know uses proton then you can send end to end encrypted emails with zero friction. But I consider that more of a side feature rather than a reason to buy it. Purely Mail is a nice provider in that regard. $10 a year! I do like FastMail a lot, though. Proton mostly makes sense if you’re going to use the entire suite, which helps spread the cost and make it a good value.
        • protocolture 10d ago
          >Mail just isn’t something that’s built in a way that it can be a private service. No but theres a lot of daylight between "There might be intermediaries" and "The australian government can verbally request secret adjustments to this companies software"
          • Grombobulous 10d ago
            I fail to see how that matters to the end consumer specifically in the context of an email product. It’s still ultimately a service dealing with plain text data that’s moving between providers in ways you can’t control very well to begin with. 100% of your email is read by someone else. You don’t send private information over email or store it in an email server. Sure, I wouldn’t personally be buying an end to end encrypted drive service from an Australian company.
            • protocolture 9d ago
              I mean, the government could demand an authentication backdoor that's located by non government entities. Or any of a million things. The Australian government needs to be treated as an absolute supply chain risk.
              • Grombobulous 8d ago
                Again, a backdoor to data you’re already sending and receiving to basically random strangers on random servers who have an instant ability to forward that information along to anyone.
      • 3stacks 10d ago
        Maybe so, but I just assume anything I write is being read by multiple different parties anyway. I use Signal too, but I don't trust that either. Face-to-face communication (inside my portable lead chamber) is the way to go
• cf100clunk 11d ago
  Tuta? https://tuta.com https://tuta.com