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Correct, this is their exact MO and has been for decades. "Random thug" recruitment notwithstanding, part of the point of such ops is to prove to themselves tha
by edouard-harris 20d ago
Correct, this is their exact MO and has been for decades. "Random thug" recruitment notwithstanding, part of the point of such ops is to prove to themselves that they can, in fact, reach out and touch a target - i.e., exercising the entire operational chain from C&C down to the minutiae of execution. A kind of integration test for sabotage, if you will. (Not saying this specific incident is or isn't anything in particular, just commenting on the general MO.)
If one were in a charitable mood, one could think of this as a "just in case" measure of ongoing capability assurance in the event of a broader conflict. In a less charitable mood, one might imagine it as preparation for proactive action. In either case, if you don't do this kind of sub-threshold stuff at least occasionally, you often discover that when a real conflict erupts, the capabilities you thought you had are in fact literally or figuratively rusty. (See the Russian army's logistical debacle early in the Ukraine war for a recent example.)
Most top tier nation states do some version of this; each one has its own style. The Russians are somewhat unusual in that they care less than most who knows or suspects them of this kind of activity.
- card_zero 20d agoFrance does some version or style of derailing Russian trains, you say?
- ggdG 20d agoNot exactly "random thugs", but this comes to mind: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_the_Rainbow_Warrior https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_the_Rainbow_Warrior >The sinking of Rainbow Warrior, codenamed Opération Satanique, was an act of French state-terrorism carried out on 10 July 1985. The event was described by France as a "covert operation" by the "action" branch of the French foreign intelligence agency, the Directorate-General for External Security (DGSE). During the operation, two operatives (both French citizens) sank the flagship of the Greenpeace fleet, Rainbow Warrior, at the Port of Auckland on her way to a protest against a planned French nuclear test in Moruroa. Fernando Pereira, a photographer, drowned on the sinking ship.
- phainopepla2 19d agoFrance provides Ukraine with targeting information that allows Ukraine to strike deep inside Russia, including industrial targets. So France is directly contributing to attacks against non-military target in Russia, yes. Source: https://www.kyivpost.com/post/81382 https://www.kyivpost.com/post/81382
- Terr_ 19d agoHm, if Russia were to seriously deploy that logic to justify sabotage in European countries (insofar as a kleptocratic dictatorship is ever serious or logical), it could backfire a bit: 1. If France is a sabotage-justified enemy, then so is the US, which provides some intelligence to Ukraine. 2. In the other direction, Russia has been giving targeting information and weapons to Iran to attack the US forces. So if they're the enemy of the US, then certain members of the current Republican administration may have to tone down their "aid and comfort" for Russia lest it mean future treason charges.
- esseph 19d agoRussia has traded Iran drones in exchange for Iranian artillery rounds to use in Ukraine. And China has sent Iran anti air missiles and provides Russia and Iran with targeting data. And North Korean troops all over Russia... It's a shitshow.
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- vkou 19d agoIf their foreign intelligence office hasn't made the kind of contacts and capabilities that could, they wouldn't be doing their jobs. Low level sabotage under the guise of hooliganism wasn't invented in Leningrad.
- tharmas 19d agoor make it look like it was the Russians so you can get the public on board with a war against Russia?
- dnautics 19d agoOr make it look like you're trying to make it look like it was the Russians so you can get the public on board with a war against NATO? Bet you didn't see the uno reverso false false flag coming
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- dns_snek 19d agoWhat's the logic? Russia sabotages NATO infrastructure, claims innocence, and this is somehow supposed to generate support for war against NATO?
- LtWorf 19d agoLike when we claimed that the russians had sabotaged their own pipeline rather than just stop pumping gas, after Biden declared he'd blow that thing up in case of conflict, and we are still supposed to believe it was the russians?
- tharmas 17d agoDoes the West (EU/UK/USA) take any responsibility for creating conditions that made this war in Ukraine possible? Its ALL Russia's fault?