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CSS-Tricks in Limbo
- owebmaster 2mo agoThat's what going to happen to tailwind too after the acquisition.
- EspadaV9 2mo agoHas Shopify given money to Omarchy too? Or more so because now Tailwind is owned by someone larger?
- sevenseacat 2mo agoTobi and DHH are like BFFs, and yes, they have. https://omarchy.org/news/2026/08/omacom-foundation-launches-with-8-million/ https://omarchy.org/news/2026/08/omacom-foundation-launches-... Founding member, donating a million dollars.
- ActionHank 2mo agoGotta say, given the list of security issues that continue to be found in Omarchy, if I were an enterprising explorer, I'd be probing for shopify employees running Omarchy.
- threetonesun 2mo agoTailwind is basically already EOL in its functional inability to support newer CSS features. Both of these projects seemed like the creator being fine with getting out with a nice paycheck, and that's ok by me, although it's unfortunate DO lied about how it would handle CSS Tricks going forward, and generally abandoned the tech writing aspect it was initially known for.
- micromacrofoot 2mo agowhat are people using instead of digital ocean now?
- jordanscales 2mo agoHetzner
- spiderfarmer 2mo agoHetzner. I like the company and how they operate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQeJYEN_lrg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQeJYEN_lrg Plus, it's an EU company. I don't want to rely on US hosting for my business.
- recov 2mo agoI switched over to vultr months ago, so far so good!
- rpastuszak 2mo agoHetzner + Coolify + BunnyCDN for the entire stack I'm moving off Vercel / AWS. I kept DO for a Minecraft server for friends/family but that's dead.
- Diti 2mo agoI use Hetzner and Bunny too. What does Coolify do in this instance?
- tancop 2mo ago[dead]
- VPenkov 2mo agoGithub-to-production or similar autodeploy workflows, cert management, backups, monitoring, notifications, and other things. Coolify's website [1] explains it better. But for example, you can call a webhook once new resources have been created, so Coolify can push them to your CDN. [1] https://coolify.io/ https://coolify.io/
- draw_down 2mo agoI would have been okay with this state of affairs if the Omarchy guy had good politics. But he has the bad politics so I’m outraged.
- throwy99864 2mo agoIt’s really interesting tbf how you felt like defending a racist piece of shit by publicizing you view the world with less complexity than a toddler
- Theodores 2mo agoAlmost all magazines go though an arc of success, plateau and decline. Audiences and writers move on or retire. I very much like and use CSS-Tricks, however, in itself it reflects a somewhat dated frontend design process and rarely uses any CSS tricks to clothe the Wordpress core that enforces dated design processes.
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- IslandRebel 2mo ago> Let's call it what it is, someone crying because their project isn't getting the love it wants while someone new did. Welcome to life. This happens all the time in business. CSS-Tricks is old, it had it's time and now it's time to move on. DO can do whatever they want. If they want to focus on getting Omarchy popular, then so be it. CSS Tricks was a massively useful resource. However tailwind and/or other frontend frameworks have abstracted a lot of this away and tbh I've haven't even bothered looking at the site in several years. > And dude, what is with all the DHH hate??? The dude isn't a Nazi, fascist or racist. The dude sees the country he loves turning into a cesspool and wrote about it. We're seeing the same thing here in the US with all these immigrants taking over Michigan. Unfortunately political polarisation is affecting everyone and everything. The topic is an almost obligatory mention any time Omarchy gets mentioned. I've seen stuff like this webpage https://stopomarchy.neocities.org/ https://stopomarchy.neocities.org/ where they are claiming Jeff Geerling to be a fascist, which is obviously ridiculous. I don't believe DHH to be a fascist or whatever (yes I read the blog post, it is standard reactionary politics that been around for about a decade now). I am not sure why feel the need to constantly mention it, I understand he may have some views that people disagree with, but he cannot realistically affect any change. The obligatory mention feels performative IMO. Moreover, I deeply disagree with the politics of many prominent people (of all political persuasions) that are often front and centre in tech, you won't hear me mentioning it unless it is relevant to their work or they are in a position to actually affect change.
- latexr 2mo ago> I understand he may have some views that people disagree with, but he cannot realistically affect any change. You keep saying that, but I think what you’re missing is that he can affect change. He’s a public figure with a large amount of influence, as made evident by the companies giving him money. His reach gives him the power to contribute to the normalisation of certain topics, thus moving the Overton window, and his opinions attract like-minded powerful people with political influence. Ignoring him as just some powerless guy who cannot enact change is frankly naive, and a mistake the world has made before.
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- dbalatero 2mo agoSorry to say, DHH invites it.
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- edent 2mo agoI'm in London right now. May I politely invite you to fuck off with your racism. Indigenous? What the fuck are you talking about? Seriously? Why are you so happy to be racist in public? Stop getting your news from social media. Come over to London, have a pint in a Desi pub and try telling us that we're living in hell. See how that works out for you.
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- cubefox 2mo ago> Indigenous? What the fuck are you talking about? Seriously? Why are you so happy to be racist in public? That's not an argument. Do you think it would be "racist" if Japanese people don't want to be largely replaced in their home country with white or black people? If not, why not?
- edent 2mo agoNo one is being "replaced" - that's just a racist talking point. You can look at the ethnicity statistics at https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/uk-population-by-ethnicity/national-and-regional-populations/population-of-england-and-wales/latest/ https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/uk-popula... But, of course, ethnicity doesn't really matter in this context. There have been black people in the UK since at least Tudor times. Read Miranda Kaufmann's excellent book on the subject. How long does someone have to live here to count, in your expert opinion? The UK invited thousands of people from all over the Empire to fight for us during WW2. They and their descendants are now as British as anyone else here. What about the descendants of the Huguenots? Do they count as "replacing" or do you think it's OK because of their skin colour?
- account42 2mo agoComplaining that they give money to people you don't like is not a good look when you want them to give money to people you do like.
- prinny_ 2mo agoI think it’s a very good look when the people you complain about are racists.
- IslandRebel 2mo ago[flagged]
- boredpudding 2mo agoThere's a difference between when people have a platform. Made a mistake 10 years ago? Fine. But that's very different than using your huge platform today to spread your hate. Pretending those two are the same is dangerous. One of them does actual harm today.
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- drewbeck 2mo ago> Someone will dig through some old forums/news group/twitter posts that someone made and use that as a stick to beat them with. This is not about digging up some old careless post. It’s about his current views which he posts proudly online. I’ll note your post pulls a classic trick: - these views are not that important to who he is - anyway even if he did hold those views it’s not that big of a deal - but also I agree with those views (even tho I am but a humble, reasonable centrist)
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- ewy1 2mo agothe title is really underselling it; as the post is very concise, i won't repeat it here but it's worth reading
- rkeswick 2mo agoThe writing quality definitely dropped after the acquisition. It's a shame, CSS-Tricks taught me so much early on.
- sintaxi 2mo agoWow, Omarchy is hot right now. Great to see all these companies contributing to a future with Linux on desktop. Good on Digital Ocean for making such a substantial commitment. It would be a shame if css-tricks went offline after all these years. I can understand it winding down now that we are in the age of agents but I hope to see it preserved in some way so it stays online for a very long time.
- lgl 2mo ago> Great to see all these companies contributing to a future with Linux on desktop. I'm thinking they're merely riding the free publicity wave. Who, in their right mind, would contribute to the super narrow definition of linux desktop preached by DHH? Was "being agentic" and "being keyboard shortcut oriented" the big gaps preventing the adoption of linux on desktop? I honestly fail to see why everybody is so convinced that the linux desktop will be "saved" by Omarchy, a set of scripts specifically designed to mostly satisfy a narrow slice of power users and developers. Also, sponsoring a multi-millionaire's AI generated side project to the sum of many millions of dollars instead of contributing to the dozens or hundreds of thankless developers that have built and maintained most of the current linux ecosystem is pretty disgusting imho.
- zorobo 2mo ago> Was "being agentic" and "being keyboard shortcut oriented" the big gaps preventing the adoption of linux on desktop? Of course not but dhh makes it clear omarchy is not for everybody. And that’s all right.
- otherme123 2mo agoOmarchy is a highly opinionated distro. For example I remember DHH falling in love with alacritty a few minutes after switching from being a Mac hardcore user-evangelist (Mac users were furious in Twitter!). Now alacritty is in Omarchy as one of the four terminals available. This is to say that Omarchy is not Linux. Is a very particular vision of Linux that lots of people won't like. Funding should go to projects near the foundation of Linux (say Gnome or Kde or alacritty itself), not to some random re-packager known for having strong and radical takes that might swing without previous notice. DHH is perfectly able to wake up tomorrow saying "fuck Linux, fuck Omarchy, the future is Windows".
- est 2mo agoPerhaps just make it open source and static host it
- bastawhiz 2mo agoYou're arguing to kill it, effectively. It's been being published to up until this month
- wg0 2mo agoI am concerned that what will happen to detailed technical write ups that defined much of the "technical internet space"? There used to be "CodeProject" (still is around probably) that used to have great articles on C, Windows Programming, Windows System programming and what not. Similar other sources on Web as well such as some TutPlus network. Now with LLMs, they won't gain attention and all knowledge would be stuck in LLMs but there would be no knowledge base to train the LLMs on so... would this all collapse in a decade or two? PS: Not anti AI rant, just a genuine open question.
- phoghed 2mo ago> it's not just an anti AI rant, it's a genuine open question There will probably still be some passionate people dedicated to this kind of thing, but presumably not as many, which is unfortunate.
- judah 2mo agoFYI, CodeProject.com appears to have been shut down a few months ago. I used to visit (and contribute) to the site regularly through articles and Q&A answers. When StackOverflow took over, I moved most of my Q&A answers there, and I suspect many others did too. The site languished until a few months ago when it started serving a blank page. Now it appears totally offline. ;-(
- autoexec 2mo ago> Now with LLMs, they won't gain attention and all knowledge would be stuck in LLMs but there would be no knowledge base to train the LLMs on so... It's even worse, the internet is getting filled with AI generated slop. All that knowledge stuck in LLMs gets regurgitated out with random errors scattered into it. A few cycles of AI having to scrape and ingest its own slop and it's going to get very ugly.
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- wiesson 2mo agoCan’t the site be migrated to Astro/static and be hosted on CF/Vercel? It could be a great resource for LLMs
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- paulhebert 2mo agoThe author of this post is not complaining that they are not being paid. The editor of CSS Tricks who was hired by Digital Ocean is the one who is not getting paid. I think it is morally in the right for employees to get paid by their employers
- kreetx 2mo agoThe author of this post is complaining about CSS-Tricks not getting paid. If the person who works ("works") for Digital Ocean but is not getting paid, should pretty leave immediately if that is the case. :) I.e, demanding on some moral premise that this other guy who I don't like is getting money, is quite a "far-left" way to go about it.
- paulhebert 2mo agoThe author of the post (Vale) is talking about how the editor of CSS Tricks (Geoff) is not being paid by the owner of CSS Tricks (Digital Ocean) This is not the first issue since Digital Ocean acquired CSS Tricks. I’d encourage you to educate yourself more on the situation instead of discounting people as “far-left” (whatever you think that means in this context)
- kreetx 2mo agoWell, the post is calling David Heinemeir Hansson "far-right". I'd instead encourage him, and perhaps you, to educate yourself on what that means, then read up on his blog post(s).
- timedude 2mo agoAren't all Linux distros ultimately a bunch of scripts on top of the Linux kernel? Compiled scripts, but scripts none the less. If someone made a bash compiler maybe that would help. Reminds me of when I used to compile DOS batch files to .com executables back in the day to make my work look more important lol
- ChiperSoft 2mo agoThe more relevant post is by Geoff himself. https://geoffgraham.me/why-css-tricks-has-been-quiet/ https://geoffgraham.me/why-css-tricks-has-been-quiet/
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- willio58 2mo agoI mean, that post says basically nothing of substance, compared to the post linked by OP. That said, this is a sad situation. If I’m reading this right, essentially digital ocean has just stopped paying the main contributor to css tricks for no clear reason.
- ChiperSoft 2mo agoI feel like the second to last paragraph says a LOT, quite succinctly, but maybe I'm better at reading between the lines.
- bsimpson 2mo agoTIL Chris Coyier sold CSS Tricks in 2022.
- woodpanel 2mo agoImmediate Tab-Closing when the author can't finish even half of an CSS article without ranting about evil conservatives ("far-right racist infamy").
- soundnote 2mo ago> Apparently it is a more pressing matter for them to donate to a collection of scripts and configuration files than to contribute to the projects they’re built upon The dismissive disingenuousness is tiresome. Omarchy hasn't been a set of dotfiles in a long time, and the money has gone to upstream projects - vaxry got paid to be able to dev Hyprland fulltime for up to five years, outfoxxed who makes Quickshell got hired, they sponsored the developer of mise, and hired a kernel developer.
- kellengreen 2mo agoWhy purchase a website, just to run it into the ground? I never understood this.
- m3h 2mo agoCOVID happened. Money was aplenty. Then snapback happened. And there were many firings and cancelled projects. There were a lot of products and ideas that felt great during ZIRP but stopped making sense post-ZIRP. That's my take.
- ygouzerh 2mo agoOften politics, lack of vision, people being shuffled around, etc (e.g the stakeholder that decided of the acquisition just got moved to an another department, this kind of things)
- bilater 2mo agoTbh I can't see how any site about tooling doesn't go the way of Stack Overflow. I used to follow the latest framework and CSS articles avidly. With agents it's a moot point. It's sad. But rather than fight it, we should be thinking about what communities we form next, in a world where knowing flexbox tricks isn't a flex.
- AlienRobot 2mo agoThat's because those AI's were trained on existing "CSS tricks." If people stop writing new CSS tricks, they will never make it into any dataset, and it won't matter if the AI can search the internet or not, because they won't be posted on the internet either. Essentially, mass scraping has a chilling effect.
- bilater 2mo agoI think this assumes AI needs the same kinds of “tricks” humans do. Flexbox, CSS Grid, etc. are mostly abstractions that make low-level DOM/layout control tractable for humans. But from first principles, an agent doesn’t really care whether the interface is elegant. If it can reliably manipulate the underlying system directly and verify the rendered output, it can just write whatever low-level code gets the pixels where they need to go. So I don’t really buy that there’s some big missing abstraction layer left to invent for AI here. Once the agent can control and verify the underlying output, better human-facing wrappers mostly stop mattering. Not talking about design trends, just the mechanics of producing the UI.
- malmz 2mo agoWhat low level code would that be? Position every element manually with JS and position: absolute? Flex and grid are the low level layout mechanics used for any responsive webapp. Even most native frameworks use the flexbox model.
- bilater 2mo agono you still probably use layout algos but most variation on top of them in css is human preference v capability (Extra HTML Elements v Pseudo Elements etc).
- droptablemain 2mo agoIs this an article about CSS-Tricks or a hit piece on DHH? Hard to tell.
- dallen33 2mo agoIt's both. Fuck DHH.
- jarek83 2mo agoGetting linux to work flawlessly on M Macs is "just a bunch of scripts"? Wow. Since when tech folks judge the open-source projects so harsh and so much just after they only started?
- legobmw99 2mo agoOn the off chance this isn't just trolling: Getting linux to work on M-series Macs was a ton of work and basically none of it was done by the folks behind Omarchy. Exactly the point being made in this argument and elsewhere is that the funding would be better off going to the people who really did the hard parts of that work (e.g. Ashai developers among others)
- jarek83 2mo agoYou might be missing most recent tweets, where there is ton of progress from omarchy team in this area. Also they have a dedicated team now working full time just on that.
- soundnote 2mo agoOmarchy went and sponsored vaxry so he's able to work on Hyprland full time for 3+2 years, hired Quickshell creator outfoxxed and a kernel developer, sponsored upstream projects like mise, and tried to offer resources to Arch/AUR, who refused them. And like the other poster said, they are actively working on M series support (building on Asahi's excellent work, of course) and making concrete progress.
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