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There is no reason for xcancel to exist. Either you cancel X. Meaning: NOT consuming X content. Or you just visit X.com. Right? Right?

by pino83 12d ago

bananaflag 12d ago
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- pino83 12d ago
  Well, there's X.com for that.
embedding-shape 12d ago
> There is no reason for xcancel to exist A bit like your comment. It's possible that other people you want to read, are using a platform you don't want to use. Have this perhaps never happened to you, even once?
- pino83 12d ago
  A good idea would be: Make a decision. A trade-off. Either these people are important enough to you, and you don't disfavor the platform soo much. Then visit that platform. Or you dislike the platform so much that you even wonder why these people are there. You definitely don't want to be in contact with the platform. If so, then give up these people. There's no free lunch, right? You also (typically) cannot buy steak, but then somehow not pay the money by showing some fake credit card. That would typically involve crime, right? Make decisions, guys!!! Make decisions! Your cat and mouse games are embarrassing... And that doesn't get better in any way just by downvoting me. ;) ;) ;)
  - immibis2 12d ago
    One possible decision is to use a deshittifying front-end, like Nitter.
    - pino83 12d ago
      Are these cat and mouse games (that you are about to lose atm) maybe an indicator that something is wrong with it? Or should things be like that?
    - kijashdkujdfhas 12d ago
      It is a half-measure, though. It reduces Twitter's traffic a little. It screws with some of their metrics a little, with the shared accounts having access patterns of several humans all mixed together. It might affect revenue a little. It doesn't do much to address the underlying issue of there being people who you might want to hear from who primarily post their content on a platform owned by a white nationalist. If you want that to get better, you have to something other than continue to use the platform. The platform's user base, including accounts created for XCancel/Nitter purposes, forms the value that causes others to post there. Accessing the platform through a proxy still provides value to the platform in terms of user attention.
      - pino83 12d ago
        Not because this is also my opinion (I have a lot of opinions that people don't share, and I completely don't care, believe me!), but for deeper reasons, I'd love to understand why this is so unpopular, although it's absolutely what every sane person would do in everyday cases. My only explanation would be to imagine all down-voters as chain smokers when they get involved into discussions whether smoking is a good thing.
        kijashdkujdfhas 12d ago
        People don't like to be reminded that they're hanging out at the Nazi Bar. Standing outside and looking through the Nazi Bar's window is still pretty much hanging out at the Nazi Bar. It still brings traffic and attention to their establishment. Sure, it's not buying drinks from the Nazis, and that is an improvement over being inside and giving Nazis your money and engagement directly. But it's still hanging out at the Nazi Bar.
  - zeratax 12d ago
    These people includes pretty much every politician. I personally do have an X account and I do use X, but I completely understand why someone would want to read what their politicians are saying without wanting to create an account anywhere
  - embedding-shape 12d ago
    Lots of assumptions there. Lots of the local and also smaller government agencies in my country exclusively put out stuff on Twitter, Instagram and other social media, instead of their own websites. Does that suck? Yes. Have I tried getting them to change? Yes. Are they still posting things first there? Also yes. Don't have much choice if I want to know what's going on around me and want it straight from the source.
tekla 12d ago
Of course not. Xcancel allows HN users and adjacent to swear that they have left Twitter because it has nothing to offer them because its all shit, but still consume Twitter content because every other similar platform really sucks and is boring and has no content
- bananaflag 12d ago
  The way the platform works can be shit while the content on it can be good.
maipen 12d ago
The hatred and jealousy for Musk is so great in this platform, that the comment section becomes a cesspool of contempt. They all secretly want to use X because it’s very convenient to consume news and other form of content. But they refuse to make an account because of their pettiness. So they rather use third party websites. Making an X account would take 2 minutes. But they rather just write a hate comment on HN every opportunity they can.
- gamessucknow 12d ago
  The hatred and jealousy for Spez is so great in this platform, that the comment section becomes a cesspool of contempt. They all secretly want to use Reddit because it’s very convenient to consume news and other form of content. But they refuse to make an account because of their pettiness. So they rather use third party websites. Making an Reddit account would take 2 minutes. But they rather just write a hate comment on HN every opportunity they can.

There is no reason for xcancel to exist. Either you cancel X. Meaning: NOT consuming X content. Or you just visit X.com. Right? Right?

by pino83 12d ago

There is no reason for xcancel to exist. Either you cancel X. Meaning: NOT consuming X content. Or you just visit X.com. Right? Right?

bananaflag 12d ago

[flagged]

pino83 12d ago
Well, there's X.com for that.

embedding-shape 12d ago

> There is no reason for xcancel to exist A bit like your comment. It's possible that other people you want to read, are using a platform you don't want to use. Have this perhaps never happened to you, even once?

pino83 12d ago
A good idea would be: Make a decision. A trade-off. Either these people are important enough to you, and you don't disfavor the platform soo much. Then visit that platform. Or you dislike the platform so much that you even wonder why these people are there. You definitely don't want to be in contact with the platform. If so, then give up these people. There's no free lunch, right? You also (typically) cannot buy steak, but then somehow not pay the money by showing some fake credit card. That would typically involve crime, right? Make decisions, guys!!! Make decisions! Your cat and mouse games are embarrassing... And that doesn't get better in any way just by downvoting me. ;) ;) ;)
- immibis2 12d ago
  One possible decision is to use a deshittifying front-end, like Nitter.
  - pino83 12d ago
    Are these cat and mouse games (that you are about to lose atm) maybe an indicator that something is wrong with it? Or should things be like that?
  - kijashdkujdfhas 12d ago
    It is a half-measure, though. It reduces Twitter's traffic a little. It screws with some of their metrics a little, with the shared accounts having access patterns of several humans all mixed together. It might affect revenue a little. It doesn't do much to address the underlying issue of there being people who you might want to hear from who primarily post their content on a platform owned by a white nationalist. If you want that to get better, you have to something other than continue to use the platform. The platform's user base, including accounts created for XCancel/Nitter purposes, forms the value that causes others to post there. Accessing the platform through a proxy still provides value to the platform in terms of user attention.
    - pino83 12d ago
      Not because this is also my opinion (I have a lot of opinions that people don't share, and I completely don't care, believe me!), but for deeper reasons, I'd love to understand why this is so unpopular, although it's absolutely what every sane person would do in everyday cases. My only explanation would be to imagine all down-voters as chain smokers when they get involved into discussions whether smoking is a good thing.
      - kijashdkujdfhas 12d ago
        People don't like to be reminded that they're hanging out at the Nazi Bar. Standing outside and looking through the Nazi Bar's window is still pretty much hanging out at the Nazi Bar. It still brings traffic and attention to their establishment. Sure, it's not buying drinks from the Nazis, and that is an improvement over being inside and giving Nazis your money and engagement directly. But it's still hanging out at the Nazi Bar.
- zeratax 12d ago
  These people includes pretty much every politician. I personally do have an X account and I do use X, but I completely understand why someone would want to read what their politicians are saying without wanting to create an account anywhere
- embedding-shape 12d ago
  Lots of assumptions there. Lots of the local and also smaller government agencies in my country exclusively put out stuff on Twitter, Instagram and other social media, instead of their own websites. Does that suck? Yes. Have I tried getting them to change? Yes. Are they still posting things first there? Also yes. Don't have much choice if I want to know what's going on around me and want it straight from the source.

tekla 12d ago

Of course not. Xcancel allows HN users and adjacent to swear that they have left Twitter because it has nothing to offer them because its all shit, but still consume Twitter content because every other similar platform really sucks and is boring and has no content

bananaflag 12d ago
The way the platform works can be shit while the content on it can be good.

maipen 12d ago

The hatred and jealousy for Musk is so great in this platform, that the comment section becomes a cesspool of contempt. They all secretly want to use X because it’s very convenient to consume news and other form of content. But they refuse to make an account because of their pettiness. So they rather use third party websites. Making an X account would take 2 minutes. But they rather just write a hate comment on HN every opportunity they can.

gamessucknow 12d ago
The hatred and jealousy for Spez is so great in this platform, that the comment section becomes a cesspool of contempt. They all secretly want to use Reddit because it’s very convenient to consume news and other form of content. But they refuse to make an account because of their pettiness. So they rather use third party websites. Making an Reddit account would take 2 minutes. But they rather just write a hate comment on HN every opportunity they can.