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Almost every serious customer is already using ZDR where nothing is retained at all, instead of "anonymized" data.
by ronsor 19d ago
Almost every serious customer is already using ZDR where nothing is retained at all, instead of "anonymized" data.
- applfanboysbgon 19d agoZDR is based on the exact same pinky-promise as training opt-outs. There is no technical barrier to OpenAI, or whoever is running your compute, retaining your prompt after they run inference on their servers. If you don't control the hardware the model is being inferenced on, you don't control your data.
- pennomi 19d agoWhere nothing is retained at all, allegedly.
- steveBK123 19d agoThey already trained on pirated content, what makes you think they are going to honor ZDR?
- GrinningFool 19d agoContractual obligations carry teeth. Scraping the internet is relatively risk-free.
- steveBK123 19d agoGood luck proving your data was laundered and included in a training run
- keeda 19d agoLucky for us Apple is already alleging something to this effect in their trade secret lawsuit, so you know they'll make sure discovery turns this up if it exists.
- ForHackernews 19d agoI mean... https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/jury-sides-with-openai-sam-altman-in-case-brought-by-elon-musk-933240ff https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/jury-sides-with-openai-sam-altma...
- applfanboysbgon 19d agoAnthropic happily paid billions to settle a lawsuit for pirating books. It's a trivial cost of doing business. If you're lucky you'll get a pittance after the fact by suing them, but a contract doesn't prevent them from doing the thing you don't want them to do and that they are obviously going to do given their past behaviour.
- nrmitchi 19d agoThe guarantee on this is a (contractual) “trust me bro”, and a right to try to sue a multi-trillion-dollar company who will absolutely drive you into the ground with legal red tape. If you are big enough to be able to withstand that, you’re already running (or trying to run) your own/open-weight models.
- torginus 19d agoJust a thought experiment: considering training seems to be 'fair use', I wonder if they trained a tiny model to retain key info from your prompts, would mean that this would still constitute fair use, and allow them to legally claim they don't retain your data.
- ronsor 19d agoZDR is shorthand for a more specified agreement of "we don't do anything other than generate your output tokens", so no. Besides, true ZDR is usually offered by third-parties with deals to host OpenAI models, such as Amazon (AWS Bedrock) and Microsoft (Azure).
- Yizahi 19d agoA lot substance is hinged on the exact definition of the word "data" or "user data". In the age of post-truth everyone is claiming that they keep no "user data". Except that after running it once through some transformer program it's no longer "user data", it's something entirely else and these corpos gave ZERO promises regarding such laundered/transformed data at all, ever.