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Last time I checked, Mise is still a one-man show. That’s way too risky for a critical party of my supply chain for my taste.

by 9dev 13d ago

doodlesdev 13d ago
So is sudo... And that's not "too risky" for the entire industry. That's not to say bus factor is irrelevant (I personally think about it a lot when choosing software projects), but truthfully the bus factor here especially doesn't matter much, as mise is an easy tool to replace (with asdf, for example) if something goes wrong with it eventually. I highly recommend trying it out. I resisted using it for some time, but it solved some pain points I had with NodeJS, Ruby, and Python regarding installation.
- 9dev 12d ago
  > So is sudo... And that's not "too risky" for the entire industry. Sure it is, and that's why I'm looking forward to systemd's Run0 -- but for now, there's just no way around the sudo package. That's different for Mise, though, because there are a lot of ways to work productively without it. I'm not fond of consciously adding supply chain vulnerabilities to our stack when I don't have real pain to do so.
  - doodlesdev 11d ago
    > Sure it is, and that's why I'm looking forward to systemd's Run0 -- but for now, there's just no way around the sudo package. Regarding Run0, I'd prefer to not rely so much on Polkit authentication after crazy vulnerabilities such as PwnKit (a pkexec vuln, but a good reminder that moving the security boundary won't magically solve issues). > I'm not fond of consciously adding supply chain vulnerabilities to our stack when I don't have real pain to do so. I SUPER agree with you on that, btw. It's just likely that mise solves a problem which is much bigger for me than it is for you. Honestly, I'd prefer if I could manage everything with my distro packages, but, for a multitude of reasons, they're rarely enough for development tooling with multiple versions and environments.
jdxcode 13d ago
this makes no sense to me, the reason i don't give anyone else the commit bit is only to _protect_ the supply chain. you should want as few people with that access as possible.
- OberstKrueger 13d ago
  I think the concern is more if something happens to you or stop development for any reason, then the project is dead or would fork in a few separate directions
- weaksauce 13d ago
  do you have any kind of succession plan in place in case you get incapacitated for one reason or another? anyone you trust enough for that?
  - jdxcode 13d ago
    Yes I have a friend that can access my GitHub if I were to die and he would be in charge of deciding who would lead the project
- someguyiguess 12d ago
  The bus factor makes no sense to you? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor

Last time I checked, Mise is still a one-man show. That’s way too risky for a critical party of my supply chain for my taste.

by 9dev 13d ago

Last time I checked, Mise is still a one-man show. That’s way too risky for a critical party of my supply chain for my taste.

doodlesdev 13d ago

So is sudo... And that's not "too risky" for the entire industry. That's not to say bus factor is irrelevant (I personally think about it a lot when choosing software projects), but truthfully the bus factor here especially doesn't matter much, as mise is an easy tool to replace (with asdf, for example) if something goes wrong with it eventually. I highly recommend trying it out. I resisted using it for some time, but it solved some pain points I had with NodeJS, Ruby, and Python regarding installation.

9dev 12d ago
> So is sudo... And that's not "too risky" for the entire industry. Sure it is, and that's why I'm looking forward to systemd's Run0 -- but for now, there's just no way around the sudo package. That's different for Mise, though, because there are a lot of ways to work productively without it. I'm not fond of consciously adding supply chain vulnerabilities to our stack when I don't have real pain to do so.
- doodlesdev 11d ago
  > Sure it is, and that's why I'm looking forward to systemd's Run0 -- but for now, there's just no way around the sudo package. Regarding Run0, I'd prefer to not rely so much on Polkit authentication after crazy vulnerabilities such as PwnKit (a pkexec vuln, but a good reminder that moving the security boundary won't magically solve issues). > I'm not fond of consciously adding supply chain vulnerabilities to our stack when I don't have real pain to do so. I SUPER agree with you on that, btw. It's just likely that mise solves a problem which is much bigger for me than it is for you. Honestly, I'd prefer if I could manage everything with my distro packages, but, for a multitude of reasons, they're rarely enough for development tooling with multiple versions and environments.

jdxcode 13d ago

this makes no sense to me, the reason i don't give anyone else the commit bit is only to _protect_ the supply chain. you should want as few people with that access as possible.

OberstKrueger 13d ago
I think the concern is more if something happens to you or stop development for any reason, then the project is dead or would fork in a few separate directions
weaksauce 13d ago
do you have any kind of succession plan in place in case you get incapacitated for one reason or another? anyone you trust enough for that?
- jdxcode 13d ago
  Yes I have a friend that can access my GitHub if I were to die and he would be in charge of deciding who would lead the project
someguyiguess 12d ago
The bus factor makes no sense to you? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor