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> Or you know, stop working on it if its that dangerous? Selection effect. Everyone who thinks "the biggest difference I can make is staying in/joining/foundi

by ben_w 29d ago

> Or you know, stop working on it if its that dangerous? Selection effect. Everyone who thinks "the biggest difference I can make is staying in/joining/founding new AI research lab" does that. Everyone who thinks "the biggest difference I can make is leaving/whistleblowing", does that. Treating both groups as the same by virtue of employer is the goomba fallacy.

phoghed 29d ago
They allegedly believe the technology itself is a nuclear weapon tier threat or greater, so why does it matter which lab they are trying to achieve it at?
- azan_ 29d ago
  I’m really glad us achieved nuclear weapon before nazi germany.
  - folkrav 29d ago
    Then the USSR got it anyway and we're in a perpetual state of Mutually Assured Destruction.
    - hgoel 29d ago
      A perpetual state of mutually assured destruction is much better for the world than only the US possessing the bomb.
- ben_w 29d ago
  They're trying to make it not be a threat, and are all scared and afraid that their best efforts to make it harmless are not enough. Some are worried by the AI directly bringing doom; others are worried that one of the companies who control the AI will become a dictator; still more think becoming a dictator is a necessary step to safely prevent anyone else making unsafe AI. Painting them all under one brush is like dismissing all animal welfare causes in general, because you disagree with specifically Jainists about a policy of non-violence towards all living creatures being relevant to how you reincarnate: the one is way too specific for the general.
  - phoghed 29d ago
    > No you see, actually I’m the guy that makes sure that only the Palantir and Mossad get the model that can discover iOS 0 days. I’m standing between us and ruin. Ted over there across the open office, he’s the one actually manufacturing the weapon. You’re thinking of him
    - ben_w 29d ago
      You're not even close to passing the ideological Turing test here.
  - flir 29d ago
    Ok, so they're uniquely careful, and they also get to that threshold first (whatever it is). What happens when everyone else (who is not so careful) gets to the same threshold three months later? How does them getting there first stop that happening? It's an utterly self-serving argument and it's not even internally consistent.
    - phoghed 29d ago
      Obviously you have to turn your WMD against them to prevent this, for the good of everyone, because you're such a good guy.

by ben_w 29d ago

phoghed 29d ago

They allegedly believe the technology itself is a nuclear weapon tier threat or greater, so why does it matter which lab they are trying to achieve it at?

azan_ 29d ago
I’m really glad us achieved nuclear weapon before nazi germany.
- folkrav 29d ago
  Then the USSR got it anyway and we're in a perpetual state of Mutually Assured Destruction.
  - hgoel 29d ago
    A perpetual state of mutually assured destruction is much better for the world than only the US possessing the bomb.
ben_w 29d ago
They're trying to make it not be a threat, and are all scared and afraid that their best efforts to make it harmless are not enough. Some are worried by the AI directly bringing doom; others are worried that one of the companies who control the AI will become a dictator; still more think becoming a dictator is a necessary step to safely prevent anyone else making unsafe AI. Painting them all under one brush is like dismissing all animal welfare causes in general, because you disagree with specifically Jainists about a policy of non-violence towards all living creatures being relevant to how you reincarnate: the one is way too specific for the general.
- phoghed 29d ago
  > No you see, actually I’m the guy that makes sure that only the Palantir and Mossad get the model that can discover iOS 0 days. I’m standing between us and ruin. Ted over there across the open office, he’s the one actually manufacturing the weapon. You’re thinking of him
  - ben_w 29d ago
    You're not even close to passing the ideological Turing test here.
- flir 29d ago
  Ok, so they're uniquely careful, and they also get to that threshold first (whatever it is). What happens when everyone else (who is not so careful) gets to the same threshold three months later? How does them getting there first stop that happening? It's an utterly self-serving argument and it's not even internally consistent.
  - phoghed 29d ago
    Obviously you have to turn your WMD against them to prevent this, for the good of everyone, because you're such a good guy.