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RTS is pretty much a dead genre these days. There have been indie releases but nothing did well enough for a big studio to take notice. They tested the water wi

by jm4 22d ago

RTS is pretty much a dead genre these days. There have been indie releases but nothing did well enough for a big studio to take notice. They tested the water with a Command and Conquer remaster a few years ago too.

oefrha 22d ago
That’s fine, just let it die. But they gotta milk the goddamn IP dry.
- nozzlegear 22d ago
  It's been like 11 years since the last game, it seems a bit reactionary to call that "milking the goddamn IP dry."
AngryData 22d ago
The most ive done with RTS the last decade is watch some mass Beyond All Reason videos (I dont have the hardware for mass battles myself.) LoL and other moba dota-likes I think took the a bulk of the rts competative crowd. Now I feel like the traditional rts community has to butt heads with other strategy genres to take players if they want to approach old school rts levels of success. Trying to pull moba players back seems like it would have massive diminishing returns.
bob1029 21d ago
I think RTS could continue to work if someone made a massive leap of faith and put all the modern infra around it that a AAA extraction shooter would receive in 2026. The biggest problem with RTS is the matchmaking and onboarding experience. The game itself doesn't have to be dumbed down (i.e., removing base building, etc.). Making the RTS simpler is NOT the solution to player adoption. Starcraft II has some extremely complex mechanics (Zerg production) which have survived for 16 years without significant changes. The reality is that RTS is very much alive if you are willing to get your ass beat constantly. What I think many people are actually asking for is that nostalgic experience where everyone kind of sucked at these games and they could cheese their way to easy wins. RTS felt better when everyone was kind of bad. In a shooter you can still get lucky shots and catch people off guard. In an RTS, if someone is 1000 ELO better than you, the chances you defeat them are essentially zero.
Gud 21d ago
According to? I play AoE2 and it’s still growing.
spwa4 21d ago
Have you tried playing the Command and Conquer remaster? They barely upgraded the UI and it just doesn't feel like you're in command. Games move like your wading through molasses and you just win basically everything (except the online mode, where you have no chance whatsoever) And there isn't much variation. The cutscenes were almost the best part of the original game. Now they're really the only reason to even look.
swish-mish 20d ago
I knew RTS was dead when they started porting AoE games to console.
Fnoord 20d ago
Yup, it is. MOBA replaced most of it (which DOTA innovated). I don't like MOBA at all, but neither do I like PvP RTS. I believe Destiny proved an open world shooter in this genre can work. Also, didnt they announce a Warcraft HOTS?

by jm4 22d ago

oefrha 22d ago

That’s fine, just let it die. But they gotta milk the goddamn IP dry.

nozzlegear 22d ago
It's been like 11 years since the last game, it seems a bit reactionary to call that "milking the goddamn IP dry."

AngryData 22d ago

The most ive done with RTS the last decade is watch some mass Beyond All Reason videos (I dont have the hardware for mass battles myself.) LoL and other moba dota-likes I think took the a bulk of the rts competative crowd. Now I feel like the traditional rts community has to butt heads with other strategy genres to take players if they want to approach old school rts levels of success. Trying to pull moba players back seems like it would have massive diminishing returns.

bob1029 21d ago

I think RTS could continue to work if someone made a massive leap of faith and put all the modern infra around it that a AAA extraction shooter would receive in 2026. The biggest problem with RTS is the matchmaking and onboarding experience. The game itself doesn't have to be dumbed down (i.e., removing base building, etc.). Making the RTS simpler is NOT the solution to player adoption. Starcraft II has some extremely complex mechanics (Zerg production) which have survived for 16 years without significant changes. The reality is that RTS is very much alive if you are willing to get your ass beat constantly. What I think many people are actually asking for is that nostalgic experience where everyone kind of sucked at these games and they could cheese their way to easy wins. RTS felt better when everyone was kind of bad. In a shooter you can still get lucky shots and catch people off guard. In an RTS, if someone is 1000 ELO better than you, the chances you defeat them are essentially zero.

Gud 21d ago

According to? I play AoE2 and it’s still growing.

spwa4 21d ago

Have you tried playing the Command and Conquer remaster? They barely upgraded the UI and it just doesn't feel like you're in command. Games move like your wading through molasses and you just win basically everything (except the online mode, where you have no chance whatsoever) And there isn't much variation. The cutscenes were almost the best part of the original game. Now they're really the only reason to even look.

swish-mish 20d ago

I knew RTS was dead when they started porting AoE games to console.

Fnoord 20d ago

Yup, it is. MOBA replaced most of it (which DOTA innovated). I don't like MOBA at all, but neither do I like PvP RTS. I believe Destiny proved an open world shooter in this genre can work. Also, didnt they announce a Warcraft HOTS?