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Yes. It’s also horrible that they have microphones in your home listening to your conversations. LG knowing what I’m watching is awful, but it seems even worse

by josephg 28d ago

Yes. It’s also horrible that they have microphones in your home listening to your conversations. LG knowing what I’m watching is awful, but it seems even worse for LG to listen in to the conversation I have with my loved ones about it after. I don’t want to be under surveillance in my own home.

j45 28d ago
Both are unacceptably egregious and done for zero benefit of the customer and a disproportionate and asymmetric benefit for the manufacturer. I've been trying to learn how to secure LG TVs, and saw that some people do seem to jailbreak them withan open version of webOS.
- josephg 28d ago
  > I've been trying to learn how to secure LG TVs It’d be wonderful if we had a grapheneos equivalent for tvs. They’re very capable Android devices. Such a pity “we don’t own the glass”.
lrvick 28d ago
The good news is there is no good reason to plug the TV into the internet.
- dgellow 28d ago
  To watch movies from a streaming service?
  - allarm 28d ago
    Use Apple TV for that.
    - abenga 28d ago
      I.e. spend more money to do things the TV can perfectly well do. We should make the spying illegal so we can use the devices we buy to their full potential without being sold to advertisers. "Give money to this other company that may or may not also be collecting data and may also sell you out in the future" is a suboptimal solution.
      - account42 27d ago
        No, we should decouple the display hardware from the playback device. Spying or not, the playback part will be obsolete long before the display part.
      - allarm 28d ago
        I don't think we can do anything substantial. So I'm going to just use this "suboptimal" solution.
    - drnick1 28d ago
      If you want true, verifiable privacy and control, it's not an Apple TV that you need. Any old laptop or desktop computer can be used to stream content from the Internet using a Web browser or other "apps."
      - allarm 28d ago
        E.g. Netflix doesn't let you to stream 4k video in browser afaik. So no, it's not a good option.
        dns_snek 28d ago
        Desktop OS also don't support Dolby Vision or fancy spatial audio formats. Trifecta: Piracy + Local media server + Streaming device, either Apple TV/Android TV (without internet access). No loss of quality, devices that could spy on you, don't, and those that would spy on you, can't. The only trade-off is some convenience.
        int_19h 25d ago
        It does let you do that, but only on platforms where they can enforce HDCP. So e.g. Edge on Windows or Safari on macOS work fine, and I think Chrome recently joined the list too. But not on Linux.
  - j45 28d ago
    Always, and only use an external device for streaming services, never the software built into the TV. Apple TV, Android TV or other devices are perfectly capable and better integrate with mobile and other devices in your network. The tradeoff consumers are sold is trading convenience of in device apps for security. Smart home devices like TVs, and thermostats should be treated as default hostile and isolated on a guest wireless network instead of your main one.

by josephg 28d ago

j45 28d ago

Both are unacceptably egregious and done for zero benefit of the customer and a disproportionate and asymmetric benefit for the manufacturer. I've been trying to learn how to secure LG TVs, and saw that some people do seem to jailbreak them withan open version of webOS.

josephg 28d ago
> I've been trying to learn how to secure LG TVs It’d be wonderful if we had a grapheneos equivalent for tvs. They’re very capable Android devices. Such a pity “we don’t own the glass”.

lrvick 28d ago

The good news is there is no good reason to plug the TV into the internet.

dgellow 28d ago
To watch movies from a streaming service?
- allarm 28d ago
  Use Apple TV for that.
  - abenga 28d ago
    I.e. spend more money to do things the TV can perfectly well do. We should make the spying illegal so we can use the devices we buy to their full potential without being sold to advertisers. "Give money to this other company that may or may not also be collecting data and may also sell you out in the future" is a suboptimal solution.
    - account42 27d ago
      No, we should decouple the display hardware from the playback device. Spying or not, the playback part will be obsolete long before the display part.
    - allarm 28d ago
      I don't think we can do anything substantial. So I'm going to just use this "suboptimal" solution.
  - drnick1 28d ago
    If you want true, verifiable privacy and control, it's not an Apple TV that you need. Any old laptop or desktop computer can be used to stream content from the Internet using a Web browser or other "apps."
    - allarm 28d ago
      E.g. Netflix doesn't let you to stream 4k video in browser afaik. So no, it's not a good option.
      - dns_snek 28d ago
        Desktop OS also don't support Dolby Vision or fancy spatial audio formats. Trifecta: Piracy + Local media server + Streaming device, either Apple TV/Android TV (without internet access). No loss of quality, devices that could spy on you, don't, and those that would spy on you, can't. The only trade-off is some convenience.
      - int_19h 25d ago
        It does let you do that, but only on platforms where they can enforce HDCP. So e.g. Edge on Windows or Safari on macOS work fine, and I think Chrome recently joined the list too. But not on Linux.
- j45 28d ago
  Always, and only use an external device for streaming services, never the software built into the TV. Apple TV, Android TV or other devices are perfectly capable and better integrate with mobile and other devices in your network. The tradeoff consumers are sold is trading convenience of in device apps for security. Smart home devices like TVs, and thermostats should be treated as default hostile and isolated on a guest wireless network instead of your main one.