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We should be happy that they’re stealing people’s work?
by vips7L 21d ago
We should be happy that they’re stealing people’s work?
- JumpCrisscross 21d ago> We should be happy that they’re stealing people’s work? No. We should credit that work is being done that otherwise may not be. I'm not defending OpenAI. I'm defending AI in general, something both OpenAI and Buckmaster (and his co-author) used.
- vips7L 21d agoYou literally said they _stole_ the work. Why should we give credit to that?
- JumpCrisscross 21d ago> You literally said they _stole_ the work No, I did not. If someone says either X or Y happened, they didn't say X happened. My exact statement: "Either by OpenAI on its own, OpenAI stealing another's work and finishing it or a researcher using AI to iterate more rapidly than a human alone could" [1]. (Either X, Y [a and b] or Z. An Oxford comma could have helped.) [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49671523 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49671523
- vips7L 20d agoSo if Y happened (they stole it), why should we be happy about that? Why should we give them credit in the situation where they stole it? Why is that good for society?
- pfdietz 21d agoNo one owns mathematics. It's not covered by IP law.
- vips7L 21d agoIt's immoral to steal someone's research. Quite sad that you don't believe that.
- pfdietz 21d agoYes, let's lie and call something stealing, then pontificate about morality. At worst what OpenAI did was inconsiderate, but not referencing prior work is a minor academic sin. This is especially the case when AI is not playing the vanity game that seems to so inflame some mathematicians.
- vips7L 21d agoIt was inconsiderate and it was also stolen, just like everything else OpenAI has stolen to train their models.
- nmeagent 21d ago> Yes, let's lie and call something stealing, then pontificate about morality. We could also acknowledge that everything that could justifiably be considered stealing is not necessarily covered by current statute.
- pfdietz 20d agoSure, we can show anything if we're allowed to make stuff up from personal outrage. Why should anyone else consider your personal opinion on this to have any weight?