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> Replacing people leaves no room for people. I am much more than my job. If I receive basic income, please replace my job ASAP! And if I don't receive a basi

• rvba 22d ago
  You know your basic income will be some minumum to make you shut up, while the owner class will own everything?
  • eru 22d ago
    Hasn't happened so far.
  • Marha01 22d ago
    As long as it's enough to afford my current living standard, I don't care. Let Musk own the entire Mars, as long as I receive enough to live relatively comfortably and don't have to work anymore. And if I don't receive enough, then again: the problem is not AI, but powers that be. And there are various solutions for that... and none of them are helped by me being anti-AI.
    • swader999 22d ago
      You won't have any real power in that scenario, you'll just be shut off.
      • Marha01 22d ago
        Human-level AI hosted locally will give everyone much more power and wealth than they have currently. I don't care if I will be shut off from Musk's Mars lair. And Musk has no reason to care that robots take good care of me here on Earth, when he has his Martian utopia.
  • azan_ 22d ago
    Who will pay for services performed by AI? How will they make money?
    • bonoboTP 22d ago
      Other AI. If they decide to trace a ledger of historical actions attributable to specific AI instances in some way, called money. But maybe they will converge on other ways of keeping such accounts that is no exact match to our concept of money.
    • eru 21d ago
      Central banks can create an unlimited amount of money, if necessary. The limit is inflation.
• pydry 22d ago
  The process you're cheering on gives more power to the powers that be who are the problem. Theyre never going to use that power to provide basic income for everybody. You cannot wave a wand to make them do that. Theyre going to use that power to accumulate even more resources and raw materials and impoverish/expel the "useless" labor. Realistically our leverage over the powers that be is mostly about our labor and our ability to withdraw it.
  • Marha01 22d ago
    > The process you're cheering on gives more power to the powers that be who are the problem. That's not necessarily true. Technology gives more power to everyone. The rise of factories historically did not give more power to the powers that were at the time (the aristocracy), but instead lifted the masses from poverty (after some initial turbulent period). > Theyre never going to use that power to provide basic income for everybody. You cannot wave a wand to make them do that. Theyre going to use that power to accumulate even more resources and raw materials and impoverish/expel the "useless" labor. Contrary to leftist propaganda, the rich are not some cartoon villains and psychopaths that abuse people just for fun. The reason why the rich currently exploit the poor is because doing so provides them with significant material gains. Once they can obtain the same or even better material gains by "exploiting" robotic labor instead of human labor, the logical outcome is not further abuse and exploitation of other humans, but simply indifference. > Realistically our leverage over the powers that be is mostly about our labor and our ability to withdraw it. That is (partly) true, but only in the current economic system. Widespread human-level AI changes the equation, and not necessarily in favor of those who are currently rich. You are applying capitalist and socialist analysis to a system that transcends those terms (AI post-scarcity economy).
    • qwja8176 22d ago
      Useful idiot or paid shill.
      • eru 21d ago
        If only getting a paid gig for shilling was as easy as people always assume.
• JoshTriplett 22d ago
  I'm not talking about jobs.